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3.5mm IS DEAD. Betting it all on ligtning, (w/adapter)

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  • @Paulyboy said:
    Coming in 2018 – the brand-new iPhone 8 Plus with 3.5 mm headphone jack! It will be magical and revolutionary!

    I smile

    Thank you!

  • @u0421793 said:
    If Apple really had the balls, they’d not only drop the headphone jack, they’d also drop lightning in favour of USB-C.

    I don't think that will happen but I bet we will see is Lightning to USB-C adaptors...

    Also I do suspect the the 'lightning to 3,5mm' dongle will just use the Audio-PassThru feature already present in the Lightning specs so no other DAC than the one that is already built-in into the chipset of the phone.

    This 'lightning-port' has many other pass-thru features such as the charging thing.
    That's why the CCK3's lightning port can only be used for charging (and maybe the new Lightning Ear-Pods).

    I do have the say that the camera makes it all the more tempting and pair it with a decent external mic (From Zoom, Røde, IK-Multimedia or Shure) and it will be quite an amazing combo.

    I'm still torn about the dual camera thing so the 4,7" 128GB Black Glossy thing is just too darn 'sexy' :D

  • I have to say, now that this is real, I embrace the future. I think the end result will benefit us all. When I use my headphones thru the camera adapter to Scarlet 2i2, the sound is far superior to the 3.5mm jack. Hopefully this "courageous" (lol) move by Apple will mean many good products come to the market that make it cheaper and more portable to get a superior mobile listening experience.

    And for all those who don't care about that, the EarPods and Beats will suffice.

  • The good side with this is that the 'Hifi-Stores' here in Swedenland are starting to stock DACs now :D

  • @Hmtx said:
    Hopefully this "courageous" (lol) move by Apple will mean many good products come to the market that make it cheaper and more portable to get a superior mobile listening experience.

    Perhaps once non compressed music is the standard again.

  • @mrufino1 said:

    Perhaps once non compressed music is the standard again.

    I hope so. The 'specifications' for the W1 chip are not out yet but I kinda feel it will do lossless AAC over BT instead of regular lossy-compressed BT audio. (Meaning 'headphones' with the W1 could get lossless audio while regular BT headsets use the lossy method, why else would they put the W1 in the 'beats' things?).

    The W1 chip could also 'fallback' to lossy BT audio if the sending device doesn't support lossless AAC.
    Who knows maybe the A10 chip has hardware assisted AAC lossless compression?

    I do not know how much 'latency' compressing to lossless AAC will add on iOS but it feels like 'realtime' on OS X...

  • On the subject of the USB connection from iPad into a sound card, how is the MIDI handled?
    I am really interested in the ZOOM U-24, (please check the link if you're not familiar.)

    My Question is: how is the midi handled with multiple controllers? I have a PCR-300 keyboard and a BSP sequencer....so 2 controllers.
    Both are externally powered. If I hook them up into midi in of U-24 can I control/play synths in iPad? (PCR is connected to midi in of BeatStepPro, out goes to midi in of U-24)
    Will the sequencer sequence apps in iPad?
    What is not clear to me is there is only ONE USB entry into iPad...(my PC has 8)
    How do you connect 2 controllers?
    I guess the hookup is similar to any external sound card compatible with iPad.
    Thanks.

    http://www.gear4music.fr/en/Recording-and-Computers/Zoom-U-24-USB-Audio-Interface/1JNO

  • @soundklinik said:
    On the subject of the USB connection from iPad into a sound card, how is the MIDI handled?
    I am really interested in the ZOOM U-24, (please check the link if you're not familiar.)

    My Question is: how is the midi handled with multiple controllers? I have a PCR-300 keyboard and a BSP sequencer....so 2 controllers.
    Both are externally powered. If I hook them up into midi in of U-24 can I control/play synths in iPad? (PCR is connected to midi in of BeatStepPro, out goes to midi in of U-24)
    Will the sequencer sequence apps in iPad?
    What is not clear to me is there is only ONE USB entry into iPad...(my PC has 8)
    How do you connect 2 controllers?
    I guess the hookup is similar to any external sound card compatible with iPad.
    Thanks.

    http://www.gear4music.fr/en/Recording-and-Computers/Zoom-U-24-USB-Audio-Interface/1JNO

    USB-Hub works fine for Midi-Devices(I'm sometimes using both iRig Pads and iRg Keys at the same time).

    iOS can not currently handle multiple external Audio-Devices(So I can not use the Behringer UCA-202 at the same time with iRig Mic HD). I can record using iRig Mic HD and monitor thru the headphone jack meaning two separate device can be used at the same time but the current version of iOS has some limitations...

  • edited September 2016

    @Samu said:

    @soundklinik said:
    On the subject of the USB connection from iPad into a sound card, how is the MIDI handled?
    I am really interested in the ZOOM U-24, (please check the link if you're not familiar.)

    My Question is: how is the midi handled with multiple controllers? I have a PCR-300 keyboard and a BSP sequencer....so 2 controllers.
    Both are externally powered. If I hook them up into midi in of U-24 can I control/play synths in iPad? (PCR is connected to midi in of BeatStepPro, out goes to midi in of U-24)
    Will the sequencer sequence apps in iPad?
    What is not clear to me is there is only ONE USB entry into iPad...(my PC has 8)
    How do you connect 2 controllers?
    I guess the hookup is similar to any external sound card compatible with iPad.
    Thanks.

    http://www.gear4music.fr/en/Recording-and-Computers/Zoom-U-24-USB-Audio-Interface/1JNO

    USB-Hub works fine for Midi-Devices(I'm sometimes using both iRig Pads and iRg Keys at the same time).

    iOS can not currently handle multiple external Audio-Devices(So I can not use the Behringer UCA-202 at the same time with iRig Mic HD). I can record using iRig Mic HD and monitor thru the headphone jack meaning two separate device can be used at the same time but the current version of iOS has some limitations...

    Thank you Samu, if I understand correctly, you use CCK with a USB hub and plug EVERYTHING into that? (Including USB cable to sound card?)

    If your sound card has midi in, do you use it?....Does that make any difference?

    If you plug a midi gear into your sound card ....does it "return" into iPad?...and control/play synths?

    The audio part is OK, (audio out will go to my amp/speakers...)

    Thanks

  • @soundklinik said:

    >

    Thank you Samu, if I understand correctly, you use CCK with a USB hub and plug EVERYTHING into that? (Including USB cable to sound card?)

    Correct, that's the only way to make it work.
    if there are some devices that require more power than the CCK can provide a powered hub might be needed.

    Some devices can also take time to 'power up' especially power-hungry devices so it's sometimes needed to attach the devices one by one. In those cases a powered hub feels like a better solution so all devices have enough power before being connected to the iPhone/iPad.

    If your sound card has midi in, do you use it?....Does that make any difference?

    The Behringer UCA-202 has no midi in or out.
    But if the device gets enough power it should work.

    If you plug a midi gear into your sound card ....does it "return" into iPad?...and control/play synths?

    Some apps need to be 'restarted' to recognise added hardware.

    The best solution would be to 'try it our' somewhere :)

  • edited September 2016

    Thanks a lot Samu, I get it... ;) ....(I'm not such a noob on PC, believe me)

    Actually I can try it out, where I will buy it, they have a 2 month return no questions asked with 5 year warranty.

    Can't beat that.
    Thanks again for all your info and help :)

    PS my apologies for slightly derailing the thread...

  • @Munibeast said:
    Shame on Apple, it's a real show stopper.

    No it isn't. There will be plenty of solutions in time for Christmas. Things change and progress and people adapt. Headphone jacks will be rare on new phones in two years. I don't see the need for all the drama, but if that's your thing, then more power to you.

    Let me know when you purchase an iDevice without a headphone jack. Unless you give up on making music on Apple mobile products, it will happen.

  • I just realised that I already have a Lightning Dock on my desk with a 3.5mm jack :D
    So no worries about listening and charging at the same time...

  • @1P18 said:
    The advantages of this are...???

    For us - don't see any. For them - since it's a digital port, Apple will be able to control which devices will be supported

  • Funny stuff. I think he was waay funnierer when he did the Colbert report.

  • @Icepulse said:
    I've been moving away from iOS music anyway, at least in terms of how it integrates into my workflow. At this point, I only use it to feed my OP-1 From the headphone jack, anyway.

    Blasphemy!

  • @Daath7 said:

    @Icepulse said:
    I've been moving away from iOS music anyway, at least in terms of how it integrates into my workflow. At this point, I only use it to feed my OP-1 From the headphone jack, anyway.

    Blasphemy!

    Ever try one?

  • @Sonicflux said:

    @Munibeast said:
    Shame on Apple, it's a real show stopper.

    No it isn't. There will be plenty of solutions in time for Christmas. Things change and progress and people adapt. Headphone jacks will be rare on new phones in two years. I don't see the need for all the drama, but if that's your thing, then more power to you.

    Let me know when you purchase an iDevice without a headphone jack. Unless you give up on making music on Apple mobile products, it will happen.

    Oh great, the prophet has arrived! Thanks for enlightening us.

  • I wonder if you could use the lightning to 3.5mm adapter to get audio into an iPhone ?

  • @DaveMagoo said:
    I wonder if you could use the lightning to 3.5mm adapter to get audio into an iPhone ?

    I can't imagine why it wouldn't. Apple would be foolish to include an adapter that won't work with all of the existing wired headsets out there.

  • @obiwahnkentobi said:

    @Paulyboy said:
    Coming in 2018 – the brand-new iPhone 8 Plus with 3.5 mm headphone jack! It will be magical and revolutionary!

    I smile

    Thank you!

    haha, along with the ipad ultra mini, aka ipod

  • @Sonicflux said:

    @DaveMagoo said:
    I wonder if you could use the lightning to 3.5mm adapter to get audio into an iPhone ?

    I can't imagine why it wouldn't. Apple would be foolish to include an adapter that won't work with all of the existing wired headsets out there.

    LOL.

  • edited September 2016

    ok apple
    so the bulge of the camera is an ok thing to do,
    but the 3.5 plug is to big to fit in? :D
    reality distortion field :o

  • Just remember that some photo apps can shoot through the earphones volume button.

    I don't know if that feature will remains.

  • @lala said:
    ok apple
    so the bulge of the camera is an ok thing to do,
    but the 3.5 plug is to big to fit in? :D
    reality distortion field :o

    The camera is too big to fit it so there's a bulge...do you want another bulge for the 3.5 plug?

  • I can't wait to hear that true stereo field from the speaker system. I'm sure it's worth the sacrifice. How many threads have we seen in which users were begging for stereo speakers on the iPhone?

  • So, first was a iPod + phone, next was a phone + camera, next a phablet and now is mainly a camera with phone. The circle is closed.

    Sorry, just kidding.

  • @BiancaNeve said:

    @lala said:
    ok apple
    so the bulge of the camera is an ok thing to do,
    but the 3.5 plug is to big to fit in? :D
    reality distortion field :o

    The camera is too big to fit it so there's a bulge...do you want another bulge for the 3.5 plug?

    Not to mention that the camera is a huge selling point of the phone.

    The outrage over removing the floppy drive from their computers died down pretty quickly. Everybody just happily moved over to USB storage. The same will happen with this and manufacturers will scramble to get their wireless products up to snuff.

    Don't get me wrong; I hope they'll keep the jack in the iPad, but I won't be surprised if they don't. And quite frankly, making wireless more mainstream and getting rid of horrid bluetooth pairing shizzle is something I can justify as "the greater good" (just look online how many problems people still seem to be having in 2016 with bluetooth headphones not working consistently - someone just had to step up and streamline that for good).

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