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@mmp Yes, we already submitted the update 1.1 which fixes this and some other small issues
OK, thanks!
Thanks Amidio.Any chance of a time frame on the fix ?..
As omguitar has had the issue for quite awhile.
All of the guitar apps seem to fail at "repeating the same chord quickly" in the "sounds like a real guitar" department. I don't know what exactly it is (body resonance decay?) but it just sounds weird. Even in that video, when he strums the same chord quickly it goes from "wow, neat" to "wow, casio sampler"!
No disrespect to any of the guitar app makers. The good ones are quite incredible but that's when I notice the man behind the curtain most. Would love to understand why.
@syrupcore That's "machine gun effect" and it happens because every guitar strum sounds a little different (due to many reasons). We minimized it for Pearl Guitar by using CascadeEQ synthesis (every sample is dynamically resynthesized on the fly depending on the other strings and conditions). So, while under some (few) conditions you still can reproduce it, in most cases Pearl Guitar does a really good job. Much better than any other guitar apps, frankly. It would be even better if iPad had more CPU/memory (let's wait a couple of years for better hardware)
@commonstookie That's one-two weeks. Would you like to join the test team for this particlular feature?
Hello Amidio..as you are reading this thread could you let us know when Drumfire and/or Cycloop may appear..I did email you guys ages ago about getting on the test ream for those apps but got no reply back..anyhow any info on those two apps would be cool..
Thanks Amidio.Sure.haven't tested before and there are more knowledgable users on here,but,yeah,I'll test.
Doug (soundtestroom) being one of them...
Edit.
Let Doug do it Amidio.
@Amidio thanks for explaining. I tried just strumming my acoustic repeatedly on same-as-I-could down strokes to see what I heard and while it didn't sound like the machine gun effect, I couldn't really sort out what was different about it. Note endings maybe?
@syrupcore
I think it comes down to dynamics. When strumming, it would be almost impossible to hit each string with equal force. The first string will likely get the brunt of it, the next few strings will be a bit more gentle and then the last string or 2 probably get stronger again as you add the flourish to the end of the stroke. This will affect the volume of the individual strings.
Next, the angle of attack of the plectrum/fingernail will vary throughout the strum due to the way the wrist motion flows in a natural arc rather than straight up or down. This will affect the tonal qualities of each string a bit.
Then you have incidental thumb and forefinger touches from the picking hand that will cause some dampening of certain strings, as well as fret hand weakness or bad positioning which will add a bit of buzz or muting to certain notes.
Also you need to consider that not all strings will be hit per chord, there will most likely be a bias towards the bottom or the top of the strum depending on the chord.
Finally, you also need to consider the variance between the down and upstrokes.
Like you I personally find these guitar apps pretty jarring in this respect, and hard to use for that reason. Even if i think it would be cool for just working out chord progressions, I always end up back on my guitar because i can't stand the fakeness of the strumming sound (fingerpicking fares a bit better).
Any developer who can solve this problem convincingly has my money.
Bottle that and sell it.
I'm strumming this thing right now and great as it is,it lacks expression.
The 'strings' don't respond to light touch/hard touch.
@commonstookie The strings are expressive - they respond to light/hard sweeps and the style of the sweep! (We're not to blame iPad doesn't have a pressure sensor) And the range of possible articulations is quite large, just try strumming with different speeds and directions (straight/diagonal/circle) to get the hang of it.
@thesoundtestroom Drumfire and Cycloop are in production and I'll get in touch with you as soon as we have a test-ready version! Would you like to review Pearl Guitar?
Hi Amidio..yeah I would love to review Pearl Guitar...
Sorry Amidio...
I should have been clearer...when I pluck them,I hear no variation in sound ( soft/hard... Quiet/loud... Velocity)
I opened Wi Guitar to make a comparison (IMHO it's still the best guitar strumming app out there)..the further away from the fret,the quieter it plays,closer/ louder.the change is gradual.subtle,but clear and dare I say,more expressive.
The ifretless series of apps,the latest,ifretless sax uses a combination of samples for each note ( I think?) again there is a clear difference in sound produced dependant on how hard I tap the note.
I could be wrong but plucking Pearl,seem to produce the same level of sound..(has one sample been used?)...if midi was working,this could easily be fixed by adjusting the velocity after recording to midi and before committing to audio??
I do really like the app.I spent ages with it last night.It has a lot of strong points.i just think and hope it gets a little bit better.
And again,sorry to be a pain ( I know I can be) but I kind of feel we're all testers on here, devs and customers and we are happy to have that close relationship as it pushes things forward and hopefully makes apps better.
Edit.
Strum does have variation in sound.
Tap (pluck) doesn't seem to.??
@commonstookie You're right! The plucking currently is the same volume. I think it might be a good idea to make the velocity of plucking be maximum in the middle and decrease towards the center.
We have been concentrating our efforts on strumming (and reached a very good result imo) and plucking will be improved. Thanks for pointing us towards that!
We do use multiple samples for velocities and reprocess and blend them in quite a sophisticated way.
I just checked Wi Guitar and still think our sound is superior in terms of quality and technologies behind it, but that might be just a matter of taste
Thanks Amidio.
Could be wrong but also noticed on midi playback that pitch bend is added to notes where none was intended.really love the pitch bench feature but it seem to be very sensitive at the moment.
I ran pearl through BM2.The midi edit window has a graphic that shows the degree on bend added to notes.
I'm in agreement about tech used. Am loving the fret notes feature and digging the range is chords.Both Amidio guitar Apps have some nice touches and its obvious that a lot of thought and hard work went into developing them.
Am looking forward to updates and fixes and both apps becoming solid all round performers.
I don't play guitar pretty much at all basically so can someone explain to me why an A#5 in Pearl sounds completely different than the same chord in Guitarism? I was trying to flesh out some chords for a song and it sounded right in Guitarism, but when I switched to Pearl it was way off.
I got a response from Dev about that. The scale generator is being replaced in 1.1. In 1.0, the scale for the chords is computed using all 4 chords from every row.
Ok great I'm not crazy
@matt @mgmg4871
Hey guys,
There could be differences with the chords in other apps since we have variations, so maybe you could just choose another variation for A#5 or just enter your own chord and save it as a new variation. We'll look into A#5 case, thanks for noticing that!
I think the scale generator is a bit different thing, since it is used for SoloBoard only, not for the chords (which are basically a dynamic database).
Also thank for the midi pitch issue, what a clever way to check, we'll correct this in 1.2 (since 1.1 is already submitted and should be available today or tomorrow)
@Amidio: I am receiving error messages from Pearl Guitar that the Audiobus API key has expired. Audiobus is therefore not working. (I can select it as an input, but it won't "wake up" from sleep mode in Audiobus.
The update should be out today or tomorrow that corrects the Audiobus issue.
Amidio,thanks for everything
Just a few more suggestions...
In the file management window...
Could you add 'open in',and or the Audioshare sdk??
http://github.com/lijon/AudioShareSDK
iTunes is a bit of a pain to use.
The option to turn off the sample used,between notes,when you slide up/down the fret?
I imagine its there to give a more realistic sound of a finger sliding along a string
Or maybe just to turn it down.??
I just uploaded a video in it's own thread but here it is for folks who are reading this one..
@commonstookie The fret noise is made by switching from chord to chord, but I know what you mean. Maybe if was triggered only by sliding from chord to chord would be better. If you don't want it to sound just lift finger off chord to go to next chord.
@mgmg4871,its not the sample used between chords, its the one used on the 'SoloBoard'..
Running through Ampkit,its not audible,but stand alone it gets a bit repetitive after a while.
I'd like to see more apps with more custom set options, so users can chose the ones they prefer.
I appreciate Amidio has gone the extra mile to create an authentic feel.Most of it works well,but one or two bits could maybe be tweaked ..?
A couple of updates could make Pearl the stand out guitar app.
Ok, there's fret sounds from both.
I think the chord ones sound good...realistic.
The soloboard has a bit of an auto tune thing going on tho....do like the idea,but not quite there yet.
Hi guys,
First of all thanks @thesoundtestroom for the video! It was such a joy to hear you say "Oh.. Such a good tone" in the end
There is one more cool jesture that can be made, when you tap with one finger abover the first string and the other finger below the last string (like pinching the outer string space), this will mute the strings with a slight body resonance sound - a "palm mute", unlike the "chunk" corner button.
The update 1.1 which brings Audiobus to non-premium version and corrects the issue in Premium mode is here. Let me again bring deepest apologies for this sad matter. It was completely our fault (in our defence I can say we didn't sleep on the submission night).
We also introduced a new SoloBoard alrorhythm. Now it adapts the scale to every chord (in 1.0, the scale was computed from 4 adjacent chords in the row).
Please let me know which version do you prefer, I think 1.1 is much better because literally very few wrong notes are left on the board. However chord transitions can change the scale drastically and in some cases that's not desired. We're still looking for the perfect solution and maybe you have some ideas regarding that.
@commonstookie
We already have "Open In" feature.. Look for the most right button in the File Manager above the waveform display... "Open"
Thank for the link to Audioshare SDK, we'll investigate it.
Yes of course we can turn the fret slide noise down. I don't think we should introduce a separate volume control or setting for it (less settings make app more solid), just find a perfect balance or maybe change the samples (there are several of them, chosen randomly).