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Same here....only NanoStudio was great. I really hope v2 comes this year. So far i still record everything into Logic until it comes.
Or sombody make an AUv3 midi recorder, and an AUv3 midi piano-roll sequencer so we don't even have to use a DAW (if we don't want to).
Oh, so +1
SPA ist really going places but it still wish for a real piano roll sequencer on AU<3 base. I like my AUM experience (dawless) and all the creative freedom it provides...
Indeed. But I'd really love an AU audio sequencer to use in Aum (instead of only being able to trigger clips in Aum)
Better and better baked AU’s will inspire the DAWs. I hope. Good momentum right now, but we are still lacking healthy uptake in some of the features announced with iOS 11
Isn’t it just another can of worms though? I thought the IAA solution was taken care of with Auduobus 3. Now you’ve got a new set of problems from UI scaling to audio freezing/rendering, automation, midi implementation and besides you’re still required to make the standalone. AU is just an extra free feature and I suspect AU is more appropriate for effects rather than fully fledged synths and sequencers etc. There is nothing I can do with an AU that I can’t do better with the standalone and AB. The only benefit I see to AU is if I am feeling lazy I can hook it up to GarageBand just a little easier than I could before. I’m not impressed by AU compatibility, what impresses me is what the app can do with MIDI and AB because those are technologies that have already matured over years of hard work and debugging. But we live in a society obsessed with the cutting edge. But just because it’s new doesn’t make it inherently any better... to the point about feature redundancy... I’m lost on the meaning there. The only redundancies I’m aware of are iPhone app users like @Audiojunkie.
This update still isn't in the Canadian app store, anyone know whats up?
Even multiple instances and automation?
I guess
Aren't important to you. That's cool. But they are to me.
I was really hoping AUM could be that. Somehow if it could get a piano roll in there and a timeline then that would be awesome.
@LucidMusicInc I have no data to back it up, but I sense strongly that that there’s a more important benefit to developers: increased market potential. I believe there are overwhelmingly more people who will purchase AUv3’s than those that see it your way. Again, I could be wrong about that, but I don’t think so.
If there’s anything that’s going to encourage developers to make innovative and beautiful apps it’s the prospect of getting more back from their investment and resources. Limiting potential market is the opposite of encouraging.
Time, and the developers themselves, will sort that out. Not a bunch of armchair-quarterbacks on some nerdy music forum.
I get that AUs are the IOS equivalent of VSTs which have unequivocally won’t the market in the desktop world. But IOS isn’t desktop. I like interacting with one instrument physically so to speak using the entirety of the screen. If I want a bunch of windows cluttering up the screen I know where to go to get that. I’m not supportive of that on IOS personally. I’ll stick with my stand-alone s thank you.
Its not an iOS specific technology. It was introduced 15-20 years ago.
It’s an interesting perspective though. I gotta think that it’s a small minority of users that prefer the standalone app-switchy thing, but maybe I’m totally off. Personally, if I wanted the one thing at a time thing again, I know where to get it ... if I can still find my old MS-DOS diskettes.
Funny this AU business. Had Sunrizer for years but never used it, but being able to layer multiple instances (courtesy of its gentle CPU hit) has made it much more interesting for me.
Recorded a couple of jams last night with it, and it sounded good.
Just need the tempo sync update for Spacecraft and Quanta, and I’m sorted.
I like apps that don’t need to be beta tested after they’ve been sold on the market
We ask far too much from devs in terms of connectivity and cross platform compatibility. I know few would agree with me but thems the cards I’m putting on the table.
Isn’t that the point @brambos and @giku_beepstreet are making though? That as developers they would much rather let the host take care of all the connectivity and drop IAA and standalone?
By the way, My tone is deliberately ‘friendly discussion’ and not an argument. If you can’t chat iOS music app formats here, where can you? 😀
I’m all about having a healthy disagreement. When I agree with people I tend to remain mostly silent. Anyway for context I can’t use any apps on iPhone even though my device is capable (7) due to the screen size. I do all my music on a mini 4. The few AUs I own, (Poison, Sunrozer, and Beathawk) I don’t get much joy from. Either there’s a bug in the midi or the interface is too small or some other rendering problem. I’m not trying to hijack this post. The Au for Sunrizer is great and I celebrate it as much as everyone else but I prefer Standalone for the stability, improved capabilities and better UI experience.
Indeed. The standalone connectivity demands take 3-4 times as much time (IAA, AB3, Link, CoreMIDI, VirtualMIDI, MIDI Clock, the list goes on and on) than building a functional AU. And there's a lot more variance/bugginess in how all those 'standards' are implemented across different apps than the AU standard. Standalone is a royal pain to get right (and also takes a lot more support time; answering emails, debugging obscure incompatibilities between apps, etc.).
Also the redundancy of standalone features. My gawd, the redundancy! If you need the same feature in every synth; just build it once: in the host. Then every subsequent synth can benefit from it.
I'm happy that we now have official confirmation from Apple that we are allowed to distribute AU-only apps without a mandatory standalone part.
Ignorance is bliss on my part. I commend you guys for what you do.
I totally agree on both points. But I don’t understand at all how standalone vs. AU relates to either point? If there’s a connection, I’m missing it. Anyway, you’re right, maybe this is too much of a thread hijack. Also, I totally respect your preference even though I don’t get it. It’s just an interesting thing to ponder. Devs gonna do what they think will earn a living and / or what they love. We’re just the guys that get to play with the cool toys all day for almost nothing.
Zeeon standalone is in fact a host app that loads Zeeon AU. I can let it load any AU instrument by modyfing a few lines of code. Its kind of ridiculous.
Yep, apologies for the thread hijack. And thanks for AUfying Sunrizer. I've used it more in the past week than in the entire time I've had it
@brambos ... hmm how about AUStandalonizer app?
Yeah, I use the same trick. My standalones are basic AU hosts, which handle Audiobus/MIDI/Linkn interfacing, and do offline rendering from the AUs if the user wants to export WAVs. But for a basic standalonizer I feel that AUM already ticks most of the boxes
4.0.1 beta should be available in a few hours.
Changes:
Great, thanks!
Anybody with iOS10.3 ?
I have a Spidericemidas free bank of presets for Sunrizer, demonstrated and posted here by Doug Woods of The Soundtestroom a month ago. The dropbox link should be there under his video and on youTube. I hope it would be useful to you in some way if you install it. I plan to make more banks for Sunrizer and Zeeon too. There are also quite a few great banks available for these two awesome synths in their in-app library link, especially for Zeeon, by Brice Beasley, and the huge bank of patches made by many of the Audiobus Forum members here. Some apps make it very easy for patch and pattern sharing, it's a wonderful feature, so I hope more people would make use of this and share their sounds.