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Best Hammond B3 sound on iOS?
I've got Galileo which isn't bad, but most of the presets are weird and overall it's not great at doing Hammond tones. I was looking at Galileo 2 but I'm not sure that's any better? What are some other options out there?
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Galileo 2 has a few functional advantages over 1 but IMO the sound isn't really much better. It is super-cheap right now.
I have to say I think they both sound pretty good, but do stay away from the presets, they're not great (as you have already discovered). You're far better off making your own. G2 has extensive editing/sound-shaping abilities so you should be able to create something you're happy with.
I suspect the only competitor is Korg Module but I haven't tried those (expensive and not really any use for recording as not IAA/AB3/AU).
iOS is definitely lacking a definitive Hammond app. I'm hoping that @GospelMusicians are secretly working on something...
BeatHawk inapp B3. Just a few presets but good.
If I remember well, Noise has a B3 as iap. Judging from the demo it seems to be very good.
Oh yes, Beathawk one is quite good. But not if you want to play a Hammond as if it was a real Hammond, e.g. altering drawbar settings and leslie speeds on the fly.
I guess I should add that along with B3 the app must also have a great Leslie modeler to go along with it!
Ah, while we're at it, has anyone compared the Eventide rotary effect with a real leslie?
How close is it?
Firstly - I agree completely with @TimRussell a out the presets in Galileo. The same is true of Galileo 2 - the presets are not really representative of what the app can do, and certainly of not an accurate representation of a real Hammond Organ.
Of all the apps on iOS with organ sounds, I'd still say Galileo or Galileo 2 (people seem to prefer one over the other, I don't other than G2 is AUv3) are the best. Mostly because they have the full functionality of a true Hammond and therefore you can really dial in the tone to your preferences.
I find 99% of the Hammond emulators ultimately sound too "glassy" or "produced" by themselves. There are a number of tricks you can use to not only make the tone sound more genuine, but also your performance. Here's an old video I did talking about different ways to help make your organ tones a bit more "authentic" sounding:
I'm not a great organ player by any stretch, but the ideas are there. If you can work with Galileo a bit, add some grit with the preamp, find a Leslie tone you like, dive into the "Expert" or "Advanced" settings and bring in some things like key click, drawbar leak, etc. and then work the Leslie speed and drawbar settings as you play, you can get a fairly convincing sound.
Do some research (read: Google) for some setups of famous organists - what drawbar settings they preferred, chorus settings, etc. That can help get you closer to the tone you seek also.
Nothing sounds like a true Hammond, but that can be said about any instrument compared to it's app-emulator equivalent. If you take a bit of time to dial it in, you may not nail it exactly, but you can get pretty darn close with some diligence.
Oh - Eventide's Rotary is a cool effect, but it doesn't sound like a Leslie to me. It's really it's own thing,
Sorry for the novel, but I hope that helps.
I think the Leslie in Galileo is pretty decent. G2 is only £2.99 at the moment and offers IAPs for other FX (including a different Leslie - not necessarily better, just a different flavour). Haven't tried the Eventide but it doesn't offer the ability to adjust mic placement so I ruled it out straightaway as that, for me at least, is pretty key to getting the 'right' Leslie effect.
Other than that: what @Daveypoo said +1
Galileo patch need lots of tweaking. The first thing I always do is slow down the rotor speed. They are to fast fir my taste. Galileo 2 as a new Leslie called Rotary 2122. I have not made enough test to decide on my favorite.
The garage band Organ is pretty decent with some eq.
Great demo - thanks for making it and sharing!
Anyone have galileo patches they want to share?
Thanks and no problem! I'm a closet organist - I don't have the command of the keys that I'd like, so I just nerd-out about every other possible detail so I can make my ham-fisted banging sound convincing!
@ion677 - I've got some patches - I'll have to see if I can export them later today.
Anyone else here get to see Jimmy Smith play his Hammond?
That'd be awesome! I know galileo can sound great, but like everyone else, I think the presets are junk.
Kids, don't try this at home...
Very excellent Doug, Dave. Thanks for the vid. I think Galileo 1 works better emulating the B3 sound than Galileo 2. I had a real B1, but without the percussion it just didn’t have that Jimmy Smith sound. Eventually had a B3, but I was just playing piano on an organ. Sold it after a couple of years.
Heres some draw bar settings. It may help you get the sounds your looking for.
http://www.dairiki.org/HammondWiki/DrawbarRegistrations
http://www.hammondtoday.com/category/drawbar-settings/
I like this one a lot:
As far a GarageBand and Galileo 2, it’s just what you can set up yourself?
Actually there are some very nice hammond organ patches inside the Korg Module (IAPs). Fixed drawbar settings sadly, but good Leslie sim and nice drive simulation. So far I've been able to find the right sound for any gadget song featuring an organ.
Christ that's expensive!!
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/hammond-b-3x/id1484367101
Yes it is pricey for an app, but WOW! That’s the “sound”.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vb3m/id1560880479
This one’s pretty dang good, too. Out of the box, it sounds great (if crunchy is your cup of tea). For me, the IK/Hammond requires quite a bit of tweaking to get “my” sound. VB3M is just so dang easy to sound “right” with my classic rock bar band.
Shameless self-promotion: we produced Brian Auger’s last and only solo album, “Language of the Heart”, and he’s been on our last two Tea albums. Now that’s the real B3 sound! Wonderful guy and fantastic player. We’re now just finishing a new Tea album featuring Neil Larsen. Also such a talented organist and multi-instrumentalist. Don’t mean to hijack the thread but couldn’t resist 😀
I used to use VB3 in desktop format, good to hear it's out for iOS.
At a small fraction of the price for the Hammond app, I must go there!
Yes it’s expensive but it’s worth every penny if you want an exceptionally good B3 on iOS.
I have no doubt about how good it is
but I would imagine VB3 running it pretty close, especially in a band situation.
I’ve never tried VB3M or even bothered looking it up.
Looks good, especially that it is not just iPad. I might have to check it out...