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I think Paul from 4pockets, Aum developer and the guys from bram boss should get together and make a daw.
While I like and use the 4pockets apps, I’m not sure that their graphic style and UI would work well within the structural ideal of the idea I’ve suggested. Bram Bos though has a similar UI ideal as AUM and I’m sure my idea could be done between those two devs. The synergy of the two apps - AUM and timeline needs to be strong for the idea to work well.
Saying all that, the project is probably beyond two people anyway. Might be that working out an export system with one of the current DAW / host developers would be the more suitable approach and make more business sense.
Yep that’s what I figured, UI-wise it shouldn’t be that hard to recreate the session view, but a piano roll and automation editor is another matter entirely.
Maybe this could be a joint project between the AUM developer and the Xequence developer. I could see a version of Xequence expanded would fit in well with the basic concept. Yes, it might have to be midi only to begin with, but audio could come as a later addition.
Lots of options really. Maybe an export function of AUM might be able to be adopted by multiple companies in a similar fashion to how some system have worked on PC / Mac in the past.
The only downside is that I could see Apple coming along and taking over the show in a Somalia’s fashion of how they did with Audiobus those many years ago.
I love AUM. It’s my No. 1 app, the space where everything else happens. But... I spend more time setting up Cubasis to record a set from AUM than I do creating it. It’s easy enough to do, but a PITA. So, just one thing would be a game changer for me now : the ability to toggle each AUM channel into or out of a standard .als Ableton export file . Select all, hit ‘’Export to Ableton’ (with the option to do Audio, Midi, or both) and get a standard zip file you can open direct into Ableton. Or any other .als reading apps or DAWs, ready to rock. The workflow with Groovebox shows the way (but itself is too tied to selling you EDM soundpacks to be taken too seriously). Apparently, the Ableton people actively offer to help devs incorporate the format, for the same reason as Link, as it all helps sell copies of Live, obvs. Sounds like a win win to me.
To the OP:
NO
Adamantly disagree.
No time line, stay within one app.
Add simple things like an “undo” button and midi clock in.
I don’t have an answer to what major things should be added but I thunk those things should NOT.
That’s just my opinion.
AUM is a mixer. People trying to use it as, or think of it like, a daw are trying to drive nails with a wrench...
The only thing that AUM is missing really is a performance oriented control surface, but as I point out in my Ugly Baby thread, you can build your own in stuff like MDP.
I would love to be able to zoom out more in AUM, and have track folders to tidy up big projects, but bookmarks are a halfway decent partial solution.
zenbeats is my second home, it pretty much does everything i need excpet midi aufx recording, but that is in the works!
I’m sure people are not reading the idea properly. You can dislike the timeline, but it’s implementation as described would hardly have any consequences to yourself, so you would just be being selfish not wanting it for others lol
Some people mentioned not wanting to dilute the developer’s efforts as their reason rather than just not wanting those new features in the app. I don’t have an opinion either way - just clarifying.
hehe i want the time line!
Yep, that’s fair enough, although I still get the impression some have just not read it properly or have mixed some opinion with the initial idea and have just jumped in. Each to their own though
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
dAwudioshare?
People just forget that app is from the same developer and makes some of the things you need such get straight wav from AUM recordings.
Just add features there (like ild fruity done before added audio tracks in the timeline) or maybe just give it AUv3 support and load 4pockets or similar into it...
I'd be happy enough if AUM could save a set of recordings (made at the same time) into a zip and some existing DAW allowed for "open in", spreading the zip contents across tracks. I generally capture with FX in AUM (and/or capture send tracks separately).
If the zip had a bit of metadata so that the target DAW might kindly set the correct tempo and possibly even infer the new project's name... all the better.
DAU 😎
I agree that DAW-like addons would fit AUM well since many users have chosen it at their main musical playground, often using MIDI generators to actually play the modular playground built from sound generators and effects.
Although I'm sure they could be integrated in an unintrusive way; following the modular concept though, the idea of improving audio and MIDI track handling in AUv3 plugins is probably more likely to happen.
Both of these types do exist but apparently both could use an overhaul in terms of features and/or usability, including a more straightforward approach to exchange audio and MIDI files between these and AUM.
Other than that, nothing keeps you from running AUM alongside your DAW of choice.
Well said. Choice is never a bad thing and when it doesn’t detract from what is already there, then that’s even better.
I get that some don’t want a dev working on something that they wouldn’t use, but we can all say that. Shit, I’ve said it before and than really liked that something I supposed I wasn’t going to like. It’s only an idea discussion though and not something likely to happen anyway
AUM stores audio files in the folder shared between AUM and AudioShare.
You can already switch to AS, zip selected files, open the zip e.g. in Nanostudio 2 and drag the clips e.g. to slate pads.
Anyway, I can imagine that a "zip" & "open in" function shouldn't be too difficult for @j_liljedahl to add to AUM.
If you start adding DAW like functionality might as well go the whole way. AUM ain't that, for me it's about live sessions. Laying out a finished product is a very different approach.
If the devs heart is in it then I'm sure an AUM inspired DAW as a separate entity would do very well. Personally I'd rather record stems and mix them in Reaper, not that I ever do but that's another story.
Hmmm, not sure that just because you could go all the way DAW, that you might as well. As you say, “AUM ain’t all that”, that doesn’t mean that the modularity idea of an add on or export of tracks functionality with a small timeline position link would be an issue to making it something else, but it would help those of us that transfer AUM setups to DAWs immensely.
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Song/timeline position is already included in Host Sync sent by AUM, standardized and available for all AUv3 plugins and IAA apps.
Moving fx nodes within a channel and moving channels within a session, as well as duplicating channels (including all their nodes) is already there. Moving nodes between channels would be nice, I agree.
Yeah maybe I'm just not understanding it. I think there probably is scope for development, but the fear of bloat muddying such a focused concept makes me nervous. As you say, doesn't have to change a single thing for someone who doesn't need it.
Well, that format exists - Ableton Live Sets.
Exactly. If I add AU parameter automation recording, users will want a timeline where they can see the recorded automations, and users will want to edit it. And if they have a timeline with automations, why not also include MIDI? So that means adding a good piano roll editor. But some wants clip style launching as well. And if they have all that, why not also allow arranging audio clips on the timeline? And so on.. and then there's a full DAW.
It's often better to avoid half-baked features, and keep the original intention focussed.
I'd love to make an AUM based DAW, either as an IAP in AUM or as a separate app that syncs and integrates fully with AUM, or as a whole new AUMDAW app. But It's an enormous job, and currently I have enough to do with maintaining AUM, AudioShare, SECTOR, working for Gestrument, making AUv3 versions of my AUFX apps (soon!), etc. But you never know, maybe some day in the future I'll find myself having a bunch of time and energy left over
In the short term, I think it's more probable that I'd make an AUv3 clip launcher and/or audio timeline arranger that has direct access to AudioShare/AUM recordings. Similar could be done for MIDI (full piano roll editor). The only thing really that can't be done easily as a separate plugin or app is AU parameter automation.
PS. AUM already has a "timeline", and you can scroll it by dragging left/right on the global transport time label. FilePlayers will follow, so if you have a long track being played by a FilePlayer you can jump to any part of that track. Same goes for AUv3 plugins and IAA apps following host sync, they can/should locate and follow AUMs timeline.
It will be amazing devs implement Ableton import from Ableton export so you can export your project into next app.
Btw all most of you are asking for is doable with BlocsWave but different workflow I know.
Meanwhile...
Build whatever on AUM and record it.
Go AudioShare and locate the folder.
Use dragndrop (or files integration) and open the bones into a DAW (garageband will be my first choice)
Or
Funnel AUM into BlocsWave and build there your pre-Ableton project.
Edited after reading the answer from the dev which makes some of my jokes useless.
totally agree with your thoughts!
@TheDubbyLabby : bear of small brain here. Can you explain/point me at something that explains your AUM into Blocs wave as a pre-Ableton measure? I have Blocs wave but found it quite a faff getting things into it. Might be worth the effort if it streamlines the export to Live though.
@j_liljedahl
Fair enough. Any comment on the original idea of the thread about a feature to help export tracks to other apps, even if the app wasn’t yours. Yes, you have answered that you are too busy, but as an idea to simplify the transfer of AUM projects to DAWs, it surely has merit, even if it’s not going to happen.
I can understand the desire not to water down the original concept, I even mentioned that originally, but if it wasn’t for time and other considerations, I don’t see how this feature would impinge on the original concept.