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Have you taken the Blocs Wave pill yet?

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  • robosardinerobosardine

    You can basically do whatever you want. The ‘red face of shame’ doesn’t really exist- it’s down to your own beliefs. Some people only use loops they have purchased or downloaded and then remixed them into something new - and that is absolutely fine. They would possibly regard themselves as music producers as opposed to musicians. Much of the greatest music of today has been from a direct and then manipulated (Or maybe not) samples from all the material that is out there.... It doesn’t matter at all - if you end up producing good music that hasn’t been heard before then you have talent and that’s perfectly fine. Not everyone can do it - you need the talent.

    I’m a bit like you are hinting at - I have this sense that I want to make all my own music.. yet I will think nothing of using several spoken word samples that I certainly didn’t make, and I will also think nothing of using drum loops (though I might just give them a tweak to so I can call them my own 😲)

    Just make great music first any way you can- Egoist and all the rest of it, it’s all fine - then if you manage to do it then think about if it’s yours or not. If you decide it’s not then you will have learned enough by this time to know that you can do it all by yourself - if you can’t manage to get a good groove going using other samples along side your own music - you will probably struggle to do it entirely on your own... so at least then you will know 😃

  • kinkujinkinkujin

    @robosardine said:
    You can basically do whatever you want. The ‘red face of shame’ doesn’t really exist- it’s down to your own beliefs. Some people only use loops they have purchased or downloaded and then remixed them into something new - and that is absolutely fine. They would possibly regard themselves as music producers as opposed to musicians. Much of the greatest music of today has been from a direct and then manipulated (Or maybe not) samples from all the material that is out there.... It doesn’t matter at all - if you end up producing good music that hasn’t been heard before then you have talent and that’s perfectly fine. Not everyone can do it - you need the talent.

    I’m a bit like you are hinting at - I have this sense that I want to make all my own music.. yet I will think nothing of using several spoken word samples that I certainly didn’t make, and I will also think nothing of using drum loops (though I might just give them a tweak to so I can call them my own 😲)

    Just make great music first any way you can- Egoist and all the rest of it, it’s all fine - then if you manage to do it then think about if it’s yours or not. If you decide it’s not then you will have learned enough by this time to know that you can do it all by yourself - if you can’t manage to get a good groove going using other samples along side your own music - you will probably struggle to do it entirely on your own... so at least then you will know 😃

    Thanks @robosardine my brother. I say this all as a bit confessional, not fully believing I can be all original, but just wondering how comfortable I am with the whole schmear. At the end of the day I'm primarily looking for ways to make music that pleases myself (not many people give a rat's what I come up with, let's be honest) and if I can get to that quicker that's good, right? RIGHT! Then on another day it feels like cheating. Ah well, catholic guilt upbringing and all that.

  • klownshedklownshed

    @kinkujin said:
    So the consensus is ... use block waves with your own loops. Don't buy the factory loops.

    If I don't have a library of loops (yet) can you use factory ones and chop somewhere else (by exporting from blocs wave?) for instance in Audioshare, and send back to blocs wave? Sorry, I'm just trying to figure out some flow here. Or send from blocs wave into egoist and really get crazy?

    Can anyone do all this without getting a red face of shame from just using someone elses hard work? I come from the angle where this was all very taboo and looked down upon. However, the other night I loaded up blocs wave with factory stuff and had something extremely grooving and then put my own voice over and had blast with my new band.

    Noob stuff and writing it sort of helped.

    Also, when we say "loop library" is there any reason not to assemble all of this inside of an app (audioshare) or should this be done in a folder on the ipad desktop? Or does it depend (probably) upon where you can access them from whichever app you are using?

    There’s definitely no shame to using the loops. If that’s an issue then there would be no music made with samples of other people’s music.

    The slicer in BW is a bit simplistic but you can still use it fine to chop up loops somewhat.

    You can indeed also take loops from BlocsWave, both user loops and factory loops and export the lot to mangle elsewhere then bring it al back in.

    The built in stuff can be played at very different tempos to the tempo it’s intended for to get nice results that are quite different to default. And everything I’ve heard from ampify is really good. Why not use it if you like it?

    But the real tipping point for me was when I had enough of my own loops to enable me to come up with new songs with my own loops.

    And going back to the factory content, it might just give you a bit of inspiration to make your own sounds by recreating the factory melody. If you’re like me you’ll end up with something completely different by accident.

    So yeah. Use the factory content and every time you play with a drum machine Or groovebox, stick the loops into BW for later use. You’ll probably end up with loops in your songs you didn’t even remember making. :-)

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @robosardine said:
    You can basically do whatever you want. The ‘red face of shame’ doesn’t really exist- it’s down to your own beliefs. Some people only use loops they have purchased or downloaded and then remixed them into something new - and that is absolutely fine. They would possibly regard themselves as music producers as opposed to musicians. Much of the greatest music of today has been from a direct and then manipulated (Or maybe not) samples from all the material that is out there.... It doesn’t matter at all - if you end up producing good music that hasn’t been heard before then you have talent and that’s perfectly fine. Not everyone can do it - you need the talent.

    I’m a bit like you are hinting at - I have this sense that I want to make all my own music.. yet I will think nothing of using several spoken word samples that I certainly didn’t make, and I will also think nothing of using drum loops (though I might just give them a tweak to so I can call them my own 😲)

    Just make great music first any way you can- Egoist and all the rest of it, it’s all fine - then if you manage to do it then think about if it’s yours or not. If you decide it’s not then you will have learned enough by this time to know that you can do it all by yourself - if you can’t manage to get a good groove going using other samples along side your own music - you will probably struggle to do it entirely on your own... so at least then you will know 😃

    Very fair.

  • kinkujinkinkujin
    edited May 2020

    @klownshed said:

    @kinkujin said:
    So the consensus is ... use block waves with your own loops. Don't buy the factory loops.

    If I don't have a library of loops (yet) can you use factory ones and chop somewhere else (by exporting from blocs wave?) for instance in Audioshare, and send back to blocs wave? Sorry, I'm just trying to figure out some flow here. Or send from blocs wave into egoist and really get crazy?

    Can anyone do all this without getting a red face of shame from just using someone elses hard work? I come from the angle where this was all very taboo and looked down upon. However, the other night I loaded up blocs wave with factory stuff and had something extremely grooving and then put my own voice over and had blast with my new band.

    Noob stuff and writing it sort of helped.

    Also, when we say "loop library" is there any reason not to assemble all of this inside of an app (audioshare) or should this be done in a folder on the ipad desktop? Or does it depend (probably) upon where you can access them from whichever app you are using?

    There’s definitely no shame to using the loops. If that’s an issue then there would be no music made with samples of other people’s music.

    The slicer in BW is a bit simplistic but you can still use it fine to chop up loops somewhat.

    You can indeed also take loops from BlocsWave, both user loops and factory loops and export the lot to mangle elsewhere then bring it al back in.

    The built in stuff can be played at very different tempos to the tempo it’s intended for to get nice results that are quite different to default. And everything I’ve heard from ampify is really good. Why not use it if you like it?

    But the real tipping point for me was when I had enough of my own loops to enable me to come up with new songs with my own loops.

    And going back to the factory content, it might just give you a bit of inspiration to make your own sounds by recreating the factory melody. If you’re like me you’ll end up with something completely different by accident.

    So yeah. Use the factory content and every time you play with a drum machine Or groovebox, stick the loops into BW for later use. You’ll probably end up with loops in your songs you didn’t even remember making. :-)

    @klownshed Thanks man. Good stuff and I appreciate the flow analysis (eww sounds gross).

    I need advice still on the whole organization of the "library stuff". I think in the meantime I may grab a couple of pack from blocs wave. And start building my own in AUM or elsewhere. Alot to learn in order to get stuff done quickly. hehehehehe

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    I have a strong relationship with blocs.
    Rarely, if ever, does it ask me to do more jobs than I get favours.

  • oddSTARoddSTAR

    I love Blocs Wave. Zero qualms about using the factory loops in my copious unfinished masterpieces...

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @AudioGus said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    The attraction for me with Blocs, like similar apps such as Egoist, is the potential for random happy accidents.

    Working on my own, by composing in the standard manner, I find myself automatically repeating the same old years learned riffs and cliches.

    So 90% of what I do now comes as a result of randomising synth sounds and blocks of audio, and mixing together audio stems that were never designed to sit together.

    Stops me getting bored with my own stuff, as aside from the odd bass or lead line, I’ve little idea what will emerge at the end.

    That is what I love about audio chopping on desktop with Samplitude, just taking huge wavs and mashing jams and such together. Its like hearing yourself through a prism.

    I haven’t got that, probably need to put it on The List.

    It is a bit of a standard design timeline daw beast but I started with it when it was tiny tiny and just got to learn the relevant (to me) bits incrementally. The audio clip editing is it’s real bread and butter strength that I just haven’t seen elsewhere. I rarely use midi, but just the audio chopping/mixing is lovely.

    I’ll keep an eye out for sales. Seen the price drop a couple of times recently, but not enough for my wallet. Otherwise I’ll stick it on a birthday list.

    Yah every couple years they have a crazy 90% off sale!

    Blimey - I’ll have that if they do one again!

  • cuscolimacuscolima

    When I use it in AUM (input slot), I cannot make it play. Anyone has the same issue?

  • robosardinerobosardine

    @cuscolima said:
    When I use it in AUM (input slot), I cannot make it play. Anyone has the same issue?

    Yes- I think it’s a bug. All you need to do is open it on its own first then go back to Blocs then launch it in the usual way.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @klownshed said:
    One further thought about time signatures in BlocsWave

    You can use it for any time signature (with a few limitations), as long as you can make each bar loop seamlessly. So you need to work out what the tempo should be in 4/4 tempo for this to work.

    This works because, for example, if you have a song in 3 / 4 time at 90 bpm, one bar lasts exactly 2 seconds. So if you can make BW loop in multiples of exactly 2 seconds any bar lengths will work. So you set the tempo in BW to 120 BPM (90/3 = 30, 30 * 4 = 120). Now BW will loop all bars in multiples of 2 seconds, which is exactly one bar of your 90 bpm waltz.

    You do need to make sure the tempo calculates as an integer or you'll have timing errors.

    So you could have a song that's 87 bpm in ¾ time as that would be 116 bpm in 4/4 but you couldn't have 86 bpm as that would be 114 ⅔ bpm in 4/4 and you can't set decimal places in BWs tempo.

    When you import your loops you will need to tell BW the calculated tempo (i.e. tell BW your loops are 120 bpm when they're 90 in 3 / 4).

    BW won't care what time signature your audio was recorded in as long as all your loops are the same signature and tempo. Blocswave will also be able to timestrech any other ¾ loops to fit the project. But BW won't be able to help you find loops that will fit. That bit is up to yours it will assume everything is still in 4/4.

    It will make the user loops section a bit messy and if you like the automatic suggestion pad thing, then this will mess that up too as loops will clash.

    Nice workaround, too much thinking though :wink:

  • onerezonerez

    Oh dear..................... spent some time in this. I really did not realize the potential of this. Then I found the store....... good thing it did not have a buy all option as I bought about 15 packs.

    Shhhhhhh. Don’t tell my wife!!!

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @onerez said:
    Oh dear..................... spent some time in this. I really did not realize the potential of this. Then I found the store....... good thing it did not have a buy all option as I bought about 15 packs.

    Shhhhhhh. Don’t tell my wife!!!

    No. We won't tell your wife. We will tell our wife. "There's another guy, fifteen he bought, fifteen, yup, I just got a couple, not like that other guy....can you imagine, fifteen."

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited May 2020

    Just recorded a new track with this. Mid East drummer, through GlitchCore, Noir, ditto, Blocs, ditto, Streemur, ditto, and TB reverb on the bus.

    Live jam, loads of ins and outs and jumping around in Blocs scenes, bish bash bosh thank you v much.

  • onerezonerez

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @onerez said:
    Oh dear..................... spent some time in this. I really did not realize the potential of this. Then I found the store....... good thing it did not have a buy all option as I bought about 15 packs.

    Shhhhhhh. Don’t tell my wife!!!

    No. We won't tell your wife. We will tell our wife. "There's another guy, fifteen he bought, fifteen, yup, I just got a couple, not like that other guy....can you imagine, fifteen."

    Omg!!!! Thanks for the laugh!!!!!!!

  • reasOnereasOne

    how do you record into blocs from an au??

  • CracklePotCracklePot

    @reasOne said:
    how do you record into blocs from an au??

    Audiobus

  • reasOnereasOne

    @CracklePot said:

    @reasOne said:
    how do you record into blocs from an au??

    Audiobus

    ahhhh

  • ArtjArtj

    @kinkujin said:
    Can anyone do all this without getting a red face of shame from just using someone elses hard work? I come from the angle where this was all very taboo and looked down upon.

    Haha, I understand exactly what you mean. But think of it this way—Traditional music in many Asian countries uses centonization where they rearrange pre-composed melodic fragments to form a new piece. To them, a melodic fragment (with its associated rhythm and other things) is just a component of music, a Lego piece, in a way. How you use these pieces to craft the original composition, that's the art of it. Certainly there is a value in originality, but everyone has to stand on some ground. To hunt originality to the extreme, next thing you know you'd have to raise your own tree to build your instrument. :D
    I like to think of The Two Sculptors - the first crafts his sculpture using tailored made molds and stuff. The second sees his sculptures hidden in a tree trunk and he carves the tree to expose the sculpture within. I guess I've been the first guy for much of my life and now I'd like to try another method.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @Artj said:

    @kinkujin said:
    Can anyone do all this without getting a red face of shame from just using someone elses hard work? I come from the angle where this was all very taboo and looked down upon.

    Haha, I understand exactly what you mean. But think of it this way—Traditional music in many Asian countries uses centonization where they rearrange pre-composed melodic fragments to form a new piece. To them, a melodic fragment (with its associated rhythm and other things) is just a component of music, a Lego piece, in a way. How you use these pieces to craft the original composition, that's the art of it. Certainly there is a value in originality, but everyone has to stand on some ground. To hunt originality to the extreme, next thing you know you'd have to raise your own tree to build your instrument. :D
    I like to think of The Two Sculptors - the first crafts his sculpture using tailored made molds and stuff. The second sees his sculptures hidden in a tree trunk and he carves the tree to expose the sculpture within. I guess I've been the first guy for much of my life and now I'd like to try another method.

    Fair.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @MonzoPro said:
    Just recorded a new track with this. Mid East drummer, through GlitchCore, Noir, ditto, Blocs, ditto, Streemur, ditto, and TB reverb on the bus.

    Live jam, loads of ins and outs and jumping around in Blocs scenes, bish bash bosh thank you v much.

    Inspiring. I have a load of later-night-fiddling bits and bobs in Blocs this thread has had me revisting...it is such an internally collaborative place that I wish each piece came with a notes file associated to help me keep track of what the hell I was thinking/using etc...although, to be fair, I think that about most apps...

  • kinkujinkinkujin

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Artj said:

    @kinkujin said:
    Can anyone do all this without getting a red face of shame from just using someone elses hard work? I come from the angle where this was all very taboo and looked down upon.

    Haha, I understand exactly what you mean. But think of it this way—Traditional music in many Asian countries uses centonization where they rearrange pre-composed melodic fragments to form a new piece. To them, a melodic fragment (with its associated rhythm and other things) is just a component of music, a Lego piece, in a way. How you use these pieces to craft the original composition, that's the art of it. Certainly there is a value in originality, but everyone has to stand on some ground. To hunt originality to the extreme, next thing you know you'd have to raise your own tree to build your instrument. :D
    I like to think of The Two Sculptors - the first crafts his sculpture using tailored made molds and stuff. The second sees his sculptures hidden in a tree trunk and he carves the tree to expose the sculpture within. I guess I've been the first guy for much of my life and now I'd like to try another method.

    Fair.

    Agreed. I need to stop overthinking it. :)

  • klownshedklownshed

    @kinkujin said:

    Agreed. I need to stop overthinking it. :)

    If it sounds good, it's good.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    Just recorded a new track with this. Mid East drummer, through GlitchCore, Noir, ditto, Blocs, ditto, Streemur, ditto, and TB reverb on the bus.

    Live jam, loads of ins and outs and jumping around in Blocs scenes, bish bash bosh thank you v much.

    Inspiring. I have a load of later-night-fiddling bits and bobs in Blocs this thread has had me revisting...it is such an internally collaborative place that I wish each piece came with a notes file associated to help me keep track of what the hell I was thinking/using etc...although, to be fair, I think that about most apps...

    I’ll have another go tonight. Interested to see how much mileage I can get from it, using old jam bits and chaff. Last night’s session was pretty decent, by my low standards.

  • db909db909
    edited May 2020

    @kinkujin said:
    So the consensus is ... use block waves with your own loops. Don't buy the factory loops.

    If I don't have a library of loops (yet) can you use factory ones and chop somewhere else (by exporting from blocs wave?) for instance in Audioshare, and send back to blocs wave? Sorry, I'm just trying to figure out some flow here. Or send from blocs wave into egoist and really get crazy?

    Can anyone do all this without getting a red face of shame from just using someone elses hard work? I come from the angle where this was all very taboo and looked down upon. However, the other night I loaded up blocs wave with factory stuff and had something extremely grooving and then put my own voice over and had blast with my new band.

    Noob stuff and writing it sort of helped.

    Also, when we say "loop library" is there any reason not to assemble all of this inside of an app (audioshare) or should this be done in a folder on the ipad desktop? Or does it depend (probably) upon where you can access them from whichever app you are using?

    Record directly into Blocs Wave. I repeat, record directly into Blocs Wave. Via Audiobus so you can have the super handy Audiobus toolbar. You can import stuff from elsewhere which I have done also but for the main meat and bones of a track, the real fun is recording right into it. These recordings go straight into the recorded folder that is accessible from any project so the more you record, the bigger your library. It actually pays great dividends to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks with Blocs

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @db909 said:

    @kinkujin said:
    So the consensus is ... use block waves with your own loops. Don't buy the factory loops.

    If I don't have a library of loops (yet) can you use factory ones and chop somewhere else (by exporting from blocs wave?) for instance in Audioshare, and send back to blocs wave? Sorry, I'm just trying to figure out some flow here. Or send from blocs wave into egoist and really get crazy?

    Can anyone do all this without getting a red face of shame from just using someone elses hard work? I come from the angle where this was all very taboo and looked down upon. However, the other night I loaded up blocs wave with factory stuff and had something extremely grooving and then put my own voice over and had blast with my new band.

    Noob stuff and writing it sort of helped.

    Also, when we say "loop library" is there any reason not to assemble all of this inside of an app (audioshare) or should this be done in a folder on the ipad desktop? Or does it depend (probably) upon where you can access them from whichever app you are using?

    Record directly into Blocs Wave. I repeat, record directly into Blocs Wave. Via Audiobus so you can have the super handy Audiobus toolbar. You can import stuff from elsewhere which I have done also but for the main meat and bones of a track, the real fun is recording right into it. These recordings go straight into the recorded folder that is accessible from any project so the more you record, the bigger your library. It actually pays great dividends to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks with Blocs

    Ahhh....didn't realise you could do that via AB - I was trying to do it via AUM last night but it doesn't work. I'll try AB tonight, good tip.

  • kinkujinkinkujin

    @MonzoPro said:

    @db909 said:

    @kinkujin said:
    So the consensus is ... use block waves with your own loops. Don't buy the factory loops.

    If I don't have a library of loops (yet) can you use factory ones and chop somewhere else (by exporting from blocs wave?) for instance in Audioshare, and send back to blocs wave? Sorry, I'm just trying to figure out some flow here. Or send from blocs wave into egoist and really get crazy?

    Can anyone do all this without getting a red face of shame from just using someone elses hard work? I come from the angle where this was all very taboo and looked down upon. However, the other night I loaded up blocs wave with factory stuff and had something extremely grooving and then put my own voice over and had blast with my new band.

    Noob stuff and writing it sort of helped.

    Also, when we say "loop library" is there any reason not to assemble all of this inside of an app (audioshare) or should this be done in a folder on the ipad desktop? Or does it depend (probably) upon where you can access them from whichever app you are using?

    Record directly into Blocs Wave. I repeat, record directly into Blocs Wave. Via Audiobus so you can have the super handy Audiobus toolbar. You can import stuff from elsewhere which I have done also but for the main meat and bones of a track, the real fun is recording right into it. These recordings go straight into the recorded folder that is accessible from any project so the more you record, the bigger your library. It actually pays great dividends to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks with Blocs

    Ahhh....didn't realise you could do that via AB - I was trying to do it via AUM last night but it doesn't work. I'll try AB tonight, good tip.

    Yes, thanks.

  • EmpoloEmpolo

    @robosardine said:

    @cuscolima said:
    When I use it in AUM (input slot), I cannot make it play. Anyone has the same issue?

    Yes- I think it’s a bug. All you need to do is open it on its own first then go back to Blocs then launch it in the usual way.

    I’m glad someone mentioned this. I have an open RFE (Request for Enhancement) with Ampify requesting an update of Ableton Link In BW to the current version that includes the transport start/stop option. The response I received from them is that they will consider the request - standard boilerplate, but understandable. Hopefully they’ll prioritize the request somewhat; IMHO, having transport start/stop available in AUM would raise its footprint considerably.

    If you all want to lend your voice, the support case ticket with Ampify is 1512449. The dev that replied is named Hamish. Naturally, I mentioned the always-willing army of beta testers in this forum, which they also acknowledged.

  • stuck80sstuck80s

    What is the best method for recording your hardware into blocs ?

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @db909 said:

    @kinkujin said:
    So the consensus is ... use block waves with your own loops. Don't buy the factory loops.

    If I don't have a library of loops (yet) can you use factory ones and chop somewhere else (by exporting from blocs wave?) for instance in Audioshare, and send back to blocs wave? Sorry, I'm just trying to figure out some flow here. Or send from blocs wave into egoist and really get crazy?

    Can anyone do all this without getting a red face of shame from just using someone elses hard work? I come from the angle where this was all very taboo and looked down upon. However, the other night I loaded up blocs wave with factory stuff and had something extremely grooving and then put my own voice over and had blast with my new band.

    Noob stuff and writing it sort of helped.

    Also, when we say "loop library" is there any reason not to assemble all of this inside of an app (audioshare) or should this be done in a folder on the ipad desktop? Or does it depend (probably) upon where you can access them from whichever app you are using?

    Record directly into Blocs Wave. I repeat, record directly into Blocs Wave. Via Audiobus so you can have the super handy Audiobus toolbar. You can import stuff from elsewhere which I have done also but for the main meat and bones of a track, the real fun is recording right into it. These recordings go straight into the recorded folder that is accessible from any project so the more you record, the bigger your library. It actually pays great dividends to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks with Blocs

    Aww yeah, the AudioBus toolbar is awesome handy for this.

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