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This is so depressing. The truth is, this bug had slowly eaten away at my motivation for creating music on my phone because I used to plug into a DAW every time I felt inspired or had a couple of free minutes, but when you are in the mood and you get this bug and must restart the device, by the time it pops back up you probably lose the mood, or that free couple minutes, or both.
And yeah with every subsequent iOS update that I hope it gets fixed but it doesn’t the frustration builds up even more
Try restarting on a regular basis, instead of waiting until the system fails. In your case, that might be every couple of days; just add it to Reminders. Restarting is not hard, it's just annoying when you have to do it now. I've been restarting my iPad weekly (Sunday morning) since iPadOS 13, due to unrelated issues. That might be giving me some shielding from this problem.
How is the file system on 14?
It’s still a disaster on 13.7
I have my power off for a few hours and so decided, yeah why not try and get a rough edit done in LumaFusion while my desktop is offline? Cue a nightmare of copying files, stuck file system and multiple reboots.
iOS is still many years away from being a productive environment...
I assume you're referring to the "Files" app, not to the actual file system implementation. People imagine (hope) that Files is some sort of Finder or File Explorer, but it is not, and never will be. Files is just a GUI shell that relies on specific interfaces implemented by the apps, "On my iPad" for the main menu, File Provider for the sidebar. It's a funky app, and I expect it hasn't changed much, or at all, in iOS 14. I never use it for anything except copying files into or out of app storage.
For file mangement, I rely on apps specifically designed to manage a directory tree, GoodReader for documents, FE File Explorer Pro for data. These predate Files, and are really good at what they do. They can efficiently copy/move files or folders around their directory hierarchy. They can directly access cloud/NAS servers, using their SDKs, not the apps. And they are accessible from Files, when necessary.
Yes the Files app, but also all the other apps you mention I use as well, Goodreader and Documents, they are all passable, but still not good enough for working effeciently with external computers, it’s up to Apple to improve this. But it’s not their priority unfortunately.
But the point I’m making is yes it’s the file system which remains buggy between all apps and I’m hoping we’ll be seeing faster improvements before we reach iOS 25
I do feel a bit foolish for not finding the thread previously but the bug really is intermittent enough that it never really rose to the level of "go do something about this". Anyway, I'm glad to contribute to the "bug Apple about this" crowd.
I do think you're confusing the APFS file system, implemented by Apple with file management, implemented by Apple and 3rd parties. In 7 years, I've not experienced bugs in either GoodReader or FileExplorer. And, for interacting with cloud servers, I can copy multiple files or folders to/from Box using File Explorer, subject only to the limitations of the Box API. You should take a look at FE File Explorer Pro. I've attached a snap of my File Explorer screen. I can go anywhere with that, and File Explorer appears in Files, both as File Provider and "On my iPad", so I manage files there when necessary. It's also accessible from apps that use the "Files" interface.
@uncledave Having suffered many times at the hands of the Files app I am interested in what you say about GoodReads and FileExplorer. Do you have experience of using either to copy large numbers of files to/from external drives and/or network storage? This is the sort of operation I can never be sure will work or not using Files.
I'm not confused at all
I guess you're lucky that your workflow doesn't hit the bugs I do.
The ipad is great if your workflow is simple and restricted. I still think there's a lot of work to do under the hood with iOS to make things work better with files overall but I guess that will improve. If Apple can't manage to make their own app work well, then there's obviously something wrong. But yeah I get similar issues in Documents app when transferring files across the network too. Documents is definitely better than Files app for many things though I agree, but manipulating files is never going to the strength of a touch screen device and probably why Apple have been reluctant to work on it.
Anyway I 'm just annoyed I wasted so much time with iOS today and achieved basically nothing, but my computer is back online so I can get back to work
First to clarify, that's GoodReader, not GoodReads, an unrelated app.
But, no I do not. My choice would be File Explorer, since it is a pure file manager. Also, just to suggest, collecting many files in a zip and moving that is often easier than transferring a lot of small files. It was like that 40 years ago, when we began networking, and it's still true.
Edit: As a test, I uploaded my jazz mp3 collection, 117 files, 841 MB, to Box. They're already in a folder in File Explorer Pro, so I just selected the folder. Upload took 6 minutes, mostly due to the start/stop nature of creating so many files remotely. I then downloaded them back to a new location. That took 4 minutes, but caused a File Explorer timeout when I tried to access them. Force-quit the app and all good. So that showed up a bug in File Explorer, but didn't affect the successful file transfer.
@uncledave Thanks for taking the time to test this. I do normally try and archive large folders of files if I want to be more certain of a successful transfer, having been through multiple iterations of the Windows OS which had similar issues.
It need better support for larger files too, that's what I'm having the main problems with....
First day with iOS 14.4.1 and I've just got the missing AU plugins bug as well.
Another feedback note to Apple, that's the second time in two days....
I don’t like to cite “god” 😅, but yes, this is exactly what happened to me. And it still happens.
I used to be able to “just do a little music” whenever a little time and the motivation was there.
This was part of the awesome experience that the iPad gave me. It brought music making back to my life!
And it made me feel at home on the iPad.
And I bought more music apps because of what I wanted to do with them.
This is all gone now. Whenever I feel like making some music, then every time my iPad cannot load any AUv3s any more.
Because, after I restart my iPad, I usually have to get back to my work first. (I work a lot on the iPad.) And only after I caught up with work, at some point later in time, I will have a little leisure to make some music. And by that time, AUv3s are gone.
So, over the last months, I couldn’t try out any of the new AUv3 apps that appeared on the App Store. So I stopped buying them. Yes, I can use some of them in standalone mode. But I am mostly a sound and musical phrase dabbler, and I use sound layers and effects chains to dabble with sounds and sequencers and the Atom piano roll to dabble with musical phrases. And that requires tying plugins together in an AUv3 host (usually AUM).
For me, the requirement to restart the iPad is not just an inconvenience. It has completely killed my music making over the last months. Putting all my apps in a recoverable state before shutting the iPad down can take a while. Not because I lose work (they all auto-save, of course), but because I lose context. Apps don’t recover the state of a search where I was in the middle of going over search results. Or the tab or window I selected may get lost after a restart. Or the youtube tutorial video that I was in the middle of following through will need to be found again and restarted from where I left it. And some of these are in Safari, and their position isn’t saved. State saving isn’t perfect, and all these “continue where I left them” infos can easily get lost. And I multitask, use PiP, slide over and even split screen. There are usually several apps in states that get partially lost during a restart. So I can’t do restarts often, only when it feels safe.
But I know that at least some of you guys may have similar experiences. And I am not trying to preach to the choir. It is just that there is a lack of a good Apple forum where I feel that someone is interested in this. Here, at least, is a community. And someone might point Apple employees at this forum, and even at this thread, to show them what people in the community experience. And I believe they should be interested.
Because, yes, the iOS music making community may just be a small community for Apple as a whole. But in the end, every community that Apple caters to by itself is relatively small. Architects ... relatively small. Accountants ... a bit bigger, but still small in the big picture. Designers ... small community. And the list goes on. So if the platform that Apple makes has bugs that destroys the experience of one community, and they cannot fix it, how can they make sure that this doesn’t happen to other communities as well? And in the end, accumulating communities rotting away does matter, even in the big picture. This is a problem with their process, and how Apple can continue making their products work for all of the communities out there. Apple should be interested.
I also wanted to write this down, because this music making experience means something to me. And I miss it! And if I don’t share this, this will die in silence.
If you made it to this point in my post, thanks for reading. 😅
Btw, I understand that this is a difficult problem. I am a developer, I have worked “in the industry” for a while, and some of my long-term projects try to tackle this problem and related ones.
And I have read your excellent comments on this.
So I am not expecting Apple to solve this general problem satisfactorily any time soon.
On the other hand, some people here seem to have made some progress analyzing this particular problem. And I believe that is part of the solution: to take the findings of the community, and to engage with the community and tell them what the status is. Just a little more communication. And that means: Apple needs to give people the time and means to communicate a bit more with us. And maybe hire more people. And probably try to improve this part of the process.
Still just “putting it out there”, for lack of a better forum. But I will try hard to stop here, this is probably becoming too off-topic for this forum.
+1
This - so much!
Thanks for writing!
And for writing it so perfectly precise and true
Thanks for taking the time to write this down! Obviously, I feel the same as you about the subject. I’m hoping for a better, less buggy future. Hoping it will come soon.
I feel like this problem occurs even more frequently than before on iOS 14.4.*. Anybody else feeling this?
Just happened again for me today, only second time but hope it's fixed in 14.5
Me too, though I have low expectations if to judge by the beta testers’ reports.. I’m hoping for an iOS 15 fix.
All of your valid points are the reason I have stayed on ios13
iPad Pro
I feel I am not getting the full iPad experience as updating could spoil the experience I have working fine on 13
I agree with above, if apple let this slip, what things will they let slip for other ‘small’ community’s
Eventually could end up with lots of little things broken , and this could slowly damage the whole iPad experience for others
Bottom line is .... are apple even listening
I know we use av3 and apps share between the sand box, are there other users that use art programs that have another type of sharing etc
Still broken on final iOS 14.5 .. 😞
I updated to 14.5 and now get a crackling distortion in all audio apps off and on, on Ipod touch 7th generattion and Ipad Pro 10.5 that did not exist on 14.4.2. Be warned. Restoring to 14.4.2 while apple is still signing it.
I guess I’ve been lucky and have had absolutely zero issues with 14.5 so far. Rock solid.
Roland Sound Canvas doesn't work on IOS 14.5, when trying to start it, it says the developer needs to update the app 🙁
It's not even in the App Store anymore
This may be related to the flurry of Apple certificate updates we've seen in the last few days. Maybe these retired apps are now going to be left behind. Unfortunate.
It works here. (iPad 11 Pro 2020 / OS 14.5)
I've just tried to play it with KB-1 through AB3 and it's ok.
In AUM, it has crashed instantly though.
This is strange, I deleted it and downloaded it from my purchased apps list and now it works fine 😊
Hopefully Roland will fix it but I guess their focus is more on 'Loland Cloud' and 'Zen Betas'.
Since the app can no longer be purchased I doubt it'll will get the automated certificate renewal that some other apps have gotten.
I really have no energy to contact Roland support in this matter...
...but a Twitter Mob could raise some h*ll for sure
Interesting observation, it works fine on my iPhone 8 (iOS14.5) but not on my iPad Air 2 (iPadOS14.5).
Deleted and Re-installed from 'Purchased' it works again on the iPad Air 2...