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Phil Spector: Dead at 81

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  • JeffChasteenJeffChasteen

    @michael_m said:

    @legsmechanical said:

    @michael_m said:

    @legsmechanical said:

    @michael_m said:

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @michael_m said:

    @legsmechanical said:
    Hot take: end of the century is the best Ramones record.

    It's the most different of their output, but I don't know if it's their best.

    It's also the album with the least amount of Ramones actually playing on it.

    “I don’t know who is playing bass on that record, but it’s not me”
    - Dee Dee R.

    It was Dee Dee’s quote I thought of too. The others said they played on it, but a lot of session musicians have also claimed they played on it too.

    I think the only one that we can be sure was on it is Joey.

    I always thought it was interesting how much they leaned into the Spector sound AFTER eotc even though all but Joey apparently hated the overproduction. It seems like they split the difference among them. Pure slick pop on the records (mostly) and fast furious and raw live. I always get a kick out of listening to a live version of Howling at the Moon (Sha la la la) after playing the record version. It’s like two different bands.

    Ironically, Howling at the Moon was produced by a returning Tommy Ramone I think.

    No shit? And arooouuund and arooouuund we go! 😊

    It shows you how deep Spector’s influence went when it goes round like that.

    I always wanted Spector to work with Jesus And Mary Chain. They seemed like a good fit, but JAMC were quite good at achieving a wall of sound on their own.

  • JeffChasteenJeffChasteen

    @mrufino1 said:

    @u0421793 said:

    @ksound said:

    @u0421793 said:
    Murderer skilled in pressing play and record at the same time dies

    This might fly in most non-music forums, but we know production takes a lot more than that, and making some of the greatest productions that inspired the next greatest productions is something else altogether.

    Definitely a murderer, though.

    I agree. It got me thinking yesterday. As soon as a studio owner gets the hang of the threshold and ratio knobs, they become a total wanker, whilst somehow conveying an aura of genius at the same time. Not just Spector. Look at Joe Meek.

    Phil Spector didn’t engineer at all. Larry Levine worked as an engineer with Phil Spector most often in the 60’s period in which he was most productive. Joe Meek did engineer. He also had schizophrenia, which ultimately led to his death.

    Without opening a huge can of worms, I feel like most people considered groundbreaking or geniuses were either autistic or dealt with schizophrenia like mental health issues, or sometimes both. That lack of being restrained by convention leads to groundbreaking thinking, and in some cases, very difficult behavior for others to be around. Difficult line to straddle, beautiful in some cases, very difficult in others.

    The genius producer decline that I have always felt the most deeply was that of Jimmy Miller. From being instrumental in The Rolling Stones greatest period (along with Traffic, Blind Faith, etc.) to being fired on the first day of producing the Plasmatics debut album.

  • michael_mmichael_m

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @michael_m said:

    @legsmechanical said:

    @michael_m said:

    @legsmechanical said:

    @michael_m said:

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @michael_m said:

    @legsmechanical said:
    Hot take: end of the century is the best Ramones record.

    It's the most different of their output, but I don't know if it's their best.

    It's also the album with the least amount of Ramones actually playing on it.

    “I don’t know who is playing bass on that record, but it’s not me”
    - Dee Dee R.

    It was Dee Dee’s quote I thought of too. The others said they played on it, but a lot of session musicians have also claimed they played on it too.

    I think the only one that we can be sure was on it is Joey.

    I always thought it was interesting how much they leaned into the Spector sound AFTER eotc even though all but Joey apparently hated the overproduction. It seems like they split the difference among them. Pure slick pop on the records (mostly) and fast furious and raw live. I always get a kick out of listening to a live version of Howling at the Moon (Sha la la la) after playing the record version. It’s like two different bands.

    Ironically, Howling at the Moon was produced by a returning Tommy Ramone I think.

    No shit? And arooouuund and arooouuund we go! 😊

    It shows you how deep Spector’s influence went when it goes round like that.

    I always wanted Spector to work with Jesus And Mary Chain. They seemed like a good fit, but JAMC were quite good at achieving a wall of sound on their own.

    Assuming he would have avoided adding strings and a choir to everything, that would have been awesome!

  • u0421793u0421793

    Is there still the feeling of a need to build a wall of sound, and make them pay?

  • JeffChasteenJeffChasteen

    @u0421793 said:
    Is there still the feeling of a need to build a wall of sound, and make them pay?

    🤣

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