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Going from bias1 to Overloud and Nembrini is like the difference between the handling of an SUV vs. a sports car. IMO.
Ok so I have narrowed my choices down to bias2 or th-u …..any thoughts? Let’s hear everyone’s thoughts please
Just say no to bias2. It isn't even in the same league as Overloud and Nembrini.
Thank me later.
I don't know many (any?) that think BIAS 2 is of the same caliber a source TH-U or Nembrini. Some also like some of the Amplitube IAPs,too.
TH-U.
I’m assuming you disqualified Nembrini only because they’re single amps, and not a guitar universe multi component type app? Nembrini makes some of the best if not the best amps and effect on iOS, for metal or rock or blues. The stomp boxes and effects are also great and many are free, but of course you need to chain them all together inside a DAW, or just use an amp standalone with no effects. Nembrini should have their own plug-in rig host on iOS soon. Try the free Crunk, Minotaur, tube screamer, fuzz.
In terms of a guitar app with everything in one place (amps, cabs, effects, tuner, midi control, IR loader, auv3, metal, blues, clean, etc..) it’s th-u all the way. But check the free version and see if you like the user interface…
Ok so I was going to get the nembrini but after watching a video and they started talking about impulses I’m lost that stuff just confuses me way too much so I need an app where I can avoid if impulses because I just don’t get those so does the th-u fit the bill…..man I do like to tweak stuff but sometimes I just want to jam…..another concern I have is all I have is a dean vendetta so will these sims make this guitar shine???it’s just all I could afford
You don’t need to know anything about impulses to be perfectly fine with any Nembrini app. The app comes with several cabinet models that you can choose from. Just pick the one that sounds best with the sound you’re trying to create.
Some prefer substituting their own impulse response files because they like the sound better but there’s absolutely no reason you need to.
There may be reasons why you might want to get TH-U instead, but that ain’t one of them.
BTW, I find understanding the different purchase options for TH-U “captures”, “amps” and “rigs”, etc. utterly confusing. I get at best about 2/3 through some of the epic (and very generous) explanations of TH-U before my eyes cross and I retreat to my happy Nembrini safe space. If you get intimidated by the idea of impulse responses, I expect TH-U will make your head will explode.
Just my two cents. I’m like the only person here who doesn’t dig TH-U.
After looking deeper into th-u and listening to demos I’m quite impressed so once my new guitar arrives I’m going to start with th-u and grab one of their bundle packs and as times goes along I will grab another one gradually and then grab the nembrini….I could only afford av$200dean guitar so I really hope these amp sims will make the guitar shine, where if I had a real amp a cheap guitar will sound like a junky guitar
For those of you who have th-u and who did not buy the complete ultimate package what did you purchase? I just don’t have $120 for the ultimate package….would you buy rigs, individual components or like a bundle….I have around $50-60 bucks to spend so which route would you recommend I be taking if you were on a budget like myself?
Btw I suggest buying a rig or two in TH-U rather than the amp bundles. In my opinion, the better rigs achieve much better sound than the sims that come in the bundles.
Do you like having a lot of pedals/fx, like different stomp boxes and modulation/time based effects? Or do you like to work mostly with the amp itself? Do you intend to use th-u standalone, or inside a DAW/AUM where you can add fx apps you already have?
I personally would go with rigs and not packages -- and certainly not the ultimate package -- if cost is any issue. The ultimate bundle includes no rigs and I think there is a pretty strong consensus that the rigs sound better than the modeled amps included in the ultimate bundle and the other sub-bundles. There are some rig-only bundles but those are mostly not as good as individual rigs.
My recommendation is find the rig that covers the territory of interest and possibly get an effects bundle -- but even there maybe not if cost is an issue.
Amp ONE is a good free one - but not AUv3
I've played the sims in the last few days and I must say they are really good!
Don't let the rigs fool you...Some of them sound fantastic but the sims are on par in another way.
I just have the Funk/RnB collection in THU and feel it gives a pretty wide selection of amps and FX for £15. I don’t play metal but it does include some higher gain amps as well as some OD/dist/fuzz pedals. Plus it covers most clean/blues tones as well. I’d say it’s hard to beat value-wise.
If you are looking for a large variety and zero cost (or low cost) get the “Tonebridge” app. I cannot figure out their business model, because they have an incredible range of sounds at no cost.
This doesn’t fit my mental model of how this technology works. I mean, these things aren’t guitar synthesisers — they actually attempt to model the frequency response of a real amp, doing its real thing, right? How would such a simulation improve a bad guitar line input over using a real amp?
I mean obviously we have recourse to a range of effects that you mightn’t have in hardware, at a much cheaper price point, but isn’t that a a different issue?
And of course we can buy virtual amps that we couldn’t necessarily afford IRL. I get that. But when putting an equivalent tube amp against its simulation, there shouldn’t be any magical “make my cheap guitar sound even better than out of a real amp” properly to the amp sim, right?
I do plan on using it as stand alone, I do like experimenting with pedals/amps and I have no interest in using other effect apps and once I write some music I will do some recording, I will admit I’m always looking for the ideal tone
Hey thanks for your input and along with your advice after looking closer I’m also seeing that going with rigs does look like the best choice although also getting the metal bundle is quite appealing, but since you think rigs sound much better, I think I will try to stay away from bundles
Here's my (lengthy) exploration on the world of digital guitar tones. Hope this helps!
A good simulation should not do that at all. The whole idea is off base if you ask me.
That said, the older crop of amp sims (bias, Amplitube, etc.) smushed a lot of the responsiveness right outta my guitar and playing, so that I can see why someone would think it could mask a crap guitar. With the Nembrini amps all that responsiveness came back and suddenly changes in pickup levels and tone controls, and also nuances of my playing became a factor again. I was shocked to see how sloppy my playing had become under the mush of the old apps.
@jdolecek49 - I really don’t think these newer/better apps are going to do anything to improve a cheap guitar. Whatever tone and character it has will shine through, much like a real amp. If you feel like you need to mask a cheap guitar, then the older, more mushy sims might be more up your alley.
As the owner of a crap guitar, I say don’t worry about it. Most of the tone is (or should be!) in your fingers, not the guitar. 😎✌️
Fingers FTW!
I asked that question for a reason. Since you intend to use the app standalone that means you want to have your amps, effects, and routing options all inside the app. We all agree that the Rigs are great, especially the ones made in partnership with Choptones, BHS, and LRS. So you should read up about the metal and high gain amps and pick out one or two. Many of those Rigs have profiles that are clean, overdriven, and high gain using real world baked in pedals to the profile. So your distortion and overdrive sounds will largely be available within each individual Rig. But you won’t have any reverb or delay or other effects baked in. In terms of the pedal and fx sims, you will have access to the the th-u effects and pedals available with the free demos, but not the rest of them. Each rig has its own separate preset bank with a rig profiles paired with the free effects. I would suggest that you get the Metal bundle OR the All FX bundle, and two Rigs.
The Metal bundle is a great value and comes with some great pedals as well. All FX is the entire collection of pedals, except for the distortions and overdrives. That’s a separate bundle, the All distortion bundle. The th-u effects are all fantastic. But if you’re buying Rigs, you’ll have all the distortion profiles you need, so the all FX bundle will cover you for everything else. Otherwise the Metal bundle will give you some key effects but not all, and you pair it with the rigs.
If you were to use outside effects from other developers, all you would need is 1-2 rigs and that’s it. So in your case, definitely get the All FX bundle, maybe the All Distortion bundle, maybe the Metal Bundle, and definitely 2 Rigs. Hope this helps.
Also, th-u is AUV3, so you can run it inside a Daw as many times as you want over many tracks. Bias can only be run once at a time…
I’ve spent many hours flip flopping between guitar apps. Some of them apply what I call “digital correction”, but it’s closer to how you describe it, they squash the feel out of it. I noticed with older apps my guitar would be more squashed, more in tune, more compressed, and two different guitars would sound pretty much the same when playing with the same amp profile or preset. But then I’d instantly switch to a Nembrini amp or th-u, and it would sound out of tune and much worse. Those apps are much more sensitive to the guitar and how you play. You get out of them what you put in. So there is a level of realism and openness to the sound, where the older apps sounded more digital and “put upon”. That’s my take.