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Lexicon M93 iOS or Similar ......
Hi ! I watch a Daniel Lanois NPR Live and i love that Set that he played there (+ Brian Blade on Drums doing his amazing job as always). He used a Lexicon M93 Delay and i was looking for something similar to iOS.
Lexicon Delay: 
Daniel Lanois NPR: 
Any ideas ?
Maybe i can recreate something similar in Drambo?
Thanks, iOS Community!
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On the desktop, Soundtoys make a wonderful plugin version called PrimalTap. Really nails the Lexicons long out of manufacture delight.
https://www.soundtoys.com/product/primaltap/
It's not such an easy delay to emulate but miRack will get you somewhere close with the help of the Mutable Instruments Clouds clone (for the granular freeze aspect), it's called Texture Synthesizer in miRack, one of the Audible Instruments modules. It also has a variety of digital delay and bit rate modulation modules to help get that vintage vibe.
Oh, thanks a LOT !
I have miRack but never felt comfortable with it. Really don't know how to use it. Maybe as a FX processor can work
Yup.
Yup, you can do this dRambo.
I've put together various delay patches along
these lines as I use them all the time.
You can add a CV sequencer or switch to feedback in the ,'Delay Rack', module.
to get ,'Repeat Hold', or Freeze Delay the way it's been described before.
Add in a ,'Buffer Rescan', to get the differences in pitch and
a filter to roll off a little bit of the tops.
I'll see if I can put a patch together for you a little later on.
Going to the park for some sunshine.
And there’s nothing stopping you from using Drambo and miRack in tandem (as part of the same setup if using Drambo as a host or maybe via AUM as a channel strip). Mutable Instruments ‘Clouds’ is so much more than the Freeze effect in the M93 so having it in the chain somewhere could be really cool. And if the complexity of miRack is offputting, fear not in this instance it’s just a matter of hooking up a single module to the audio in and out (but the real fun comes when you start adding CV sources too).
Here’s what Clouds sounds like, in case you’ve not come across it before:
While you can do the delay and filtering, you cannot do the hardware switching of the samplerate (multiplier and divider) which causes the Lexicon‘s bizzarre artifacts.
These artifacts are the only unique (or signature) element of this device.
I dunno the circuit diagram, but pre 1980 digital devices had a very different design compared to „modern“ converters.
But nothing stops you from analyzing the processed signal and design a filter/distortion stage to mimic the original (which seemed quite variable at different knob positions).
Hint: not related to the Prime Time, but the manual of the Lexicon Vortex (a later 2-delay lines unit) presents a wealth of delay algorithms in much detail (and diagrams).
@Telefunky Nice. Those schematic diagrams are very cool.
The bizzare artifacts brought about by droping the sample rate as the sample duration is lengthed is all part of the hardwares charm.
Agreed.
The Buffer ReScan module will change the pitch but
it will also change the ratio of the delay that has been held.
The Repeat Hold acts like an early sampler.
You could fudge it using a pitch module but there will also
be the combined tone of the pitch shifter and the delay
and purists will complain.
There maybe a way using the FlexiSampler with a couple of tweaks.
Still, I just tested the concept using a rudimentary patch and I think
there is a way to get it close but it won't be precisely the same.
Thanks for the hint.
FYI: the iOS app Classic FX is basically a port of the Vortex, with added goodies.
That‘s really interesting - never noticed... will look immediately
@Telefunky
You're were absolutely right.
I can't do the pitchshifting of the delays in dRambo as it's done in the M93
saying that I did find it in the Bleass Delay but Bleass Delay doesn't have Repeat Hold.
Still, it's given me some really good food for thought.
I added a ,'Scale Time',module to the Buffer Rescan and that did some interesting things.
Thanks.
Tbh when the dude tweaked the multiplier controls (in the 1st video) I was much surprised about the way the sound evolved.
Should not be too difficult to find the circuit diagram, which may reveal some details.
Btw the Primal Tap which @jonmoore posted is another favourite of mine.
Soundtoys is the successor of WaveMechanics who did a lot of delay algorithms for Eventide and released them as the Soundblender package for Pro Tools TDM (aka Pitchblender and Timeblender).
As the name suggests the modulation includes special pitch and time operations, with common LFO mod, syncable to host tempo and envelopes. Outstanding sounds and the main reason that I‘m still running a TDM system.
When I heard that sound I was like yeah.
Bleass has this LFO thing that does the pitch thing on the M93
so I'm going to see if I can use dRambo to create
the switches necessary to get the Repeat Hold happening
I like freeze delay and doing similar things with reverb.
They were some of the earliest patches that I put together
with the assistance of @bcrichards.
I hear you.
One of the things that I know Eventide for are their pitch algorithms.
I was very impressed the first time I ever heard them.
I had tried Lexicon before and it was okay though I do love their reverbs.
Yeah, TDM systems are worth keeping.
They have a sound of their own.
I keep a black faced ADAT for that purpose.
16bit, 44.1kHz, a little bit brittle.
@Telefunky The really great thing about Primal Tap is that the Soundtoys engineers took it to new realms. The input slider that's part of the feedback section allows you to overdrive the effect in the most wonderful organic manner. Nice and crunchy but never harsh. Feed Primal Tap into Little Plate and it's heavenly.
Whenever I set up a new workstation, the Soundtoys collection is the first thing I install.
I've been using MiRack more as a utility than for it's sound sources.
I haven't really delved in to the modules yet.
Okay, I've found ,"Clouds".
Cool.
It's a good video.
Mapping 'Clouds', as I'm listening.
Obviously, Clouds has way longer sample capabilities than the Lexicon. But I wouldn't worry about authenticity and just enjoy what it can add to custom delay patches.
Just thought I'd mention that Granular in Tom Burns' (free) Spectrum bundle is a direct port of Clouds. It's AUv3 and can be used as an effect as well as a source.
The Spectrum Bundle is a joy, and it was ace that it was given away at no cost. However, the reason I recommended the Clouds clone in miRack is that it opens up a wealth of control voltage opportunities which will also be really powerful in tandem with Drambo. It seems @Gravitas is in the process of mapping the miRack clone specifically for that purpose.
Mapped except for the ,'Blend', knob in MiRack.
For some reason MiRack will only let me map red and not the other colours.
Here’s a screenshot.
I've watched the first video and I haven't found any pitch shifting, could you point me to a video location where there is any?
I didn't hear anything that isn't possible with Drambo native modules, my choice would be Flexi, filters and BitRedux & Decimator.
Lexicon Delay:
@rs2000
1:23 secs in on this video the producer
samples a guitar part and halves the tempo
and the pitch using the multiplier.
I know this can be done with the
Flexisampler as I was playing with that last night.
I was thinking to do it with the ‘Delay Rack’ module and the ‘Buffer Rescan’,
simply because I’ve been using them recently.
What could be done is having both the
Delay Rack and the Flexisampler in a processor rack so that the delays play as normal and when wanting to doing the tempo/pitch thing , which isn’t pitch shifting though it changes the pitch, it switches to the Flexisampler.
@Gravitas Exactly, just pitched down which is simple to do using Flexi plus arbitrary buffer scans using buffer rescan. I've played with them a bit , as well as filters and bit/rate manglers and you can get all kinds of such tasty sounds like from the Lexicon 😊👍🏼
It's even more fun using MIDI control for directly controlling which parts of the loop to capture and play.
Here‘s another one showing what becomes of a simple beep. Most of the time the source plus fx signal are both present. Not exactly a pleasant listening, but good for analyzing...
I’ve put together a patch using the
delay rack and buffer rescan which
I’ve used on vocals, drums and chord samples.
I’ve actually used it as a 1oct pitch shifter.
It required creating a new track and nudging
the track back by some milliseconds but
the sound was quite fun.
How do we do that?
Not the midi mapping obviously…☺️
Ahhh….using the offset???
I meant to say MIDI mapping the Rec and Clear buttons in Flexi so you can grab audio snippets into Flexi spontaneously - like the Lexicon footswitch but multiple ones.
I see what you’re saying and then use
‘offset’, for position and ‘speed’, to reverse
it if we want to.
Okay cool.
I had a noodle with the Soundtoys version of the M83 today. It's thankfully only a 90-second noodle which you can stream from here if you fancy hearing their emulation - https://d.pr/a/xItITy
Thanks everyone for the answers !!! Now i need to learn how to use dRambo + miRack i guess haha ... or just getting the SoundToys version
The Soundtoys version is sadly desktop DAW only.
good one
dedicate it to the mighty upsetter 