Why doesn’t Apple value people making music on iOS?

AudioGus

@NeonSilicon said:

@AudioGus said:

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Other than the "whisper" voices explaining the joke,

I tried to take that as a conscious meta on the painful nature of ‘marketing notes’ in general but yah there no doubt was a compromise/corruption of the original idea.

AudioGus

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@AudioGus said:

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Why does that guy’s fake accent annoy me so much? Serenity now....

I bet it’s the fake part

NeuM

Is this a real thread?

jolico

GarageBand is in “creativity” with the photos app, but all of the legit production apps are in the “entertainment” category???

NeonSilicon

@jolico said:
GarageBand is in “creativity” with the photos app, but all of the legit production apps are in the “entertainment” category???

It seems to be a bit random where stuff ends up. But, to give Apple some credit, I just now did a search for "music" on the App Store and PowerPoint came up before GarageBand.

J_B

@Samu said:

@J_B said:
We do know we can rename folders right? Open the folder and hold down it’s name

Unfortunately that doesn't work in the 'App Library'.

Oh got it, I don’t even know how to access the App Library

Samu

@J_B said:

@Samu said:

@J_B said:
We do know we can rename folders right? Open the folder and hold down it’s name

Unfortunately that doesn't work in the 'App Library'.

Oh got it, I don’t even know how to access the App Library

It's only present on iOS14 (iPhone) at the moment.

When iPadOS15 drops it will also be an option on the iPad, hopefully with a bit more options...
(I would love 'Smart Folders' where I can automatically create folders based on developer and other criteria)

Since I already have a ton of apps I already launch them using spotlight so I'll likely just migrate to the app-library on the iPad as well and just keep the 'DAWs' and a few other apps on the home-screens.

On the iPhone I just search in the applibrary as I love to keep my home-screen clean.

With 'Focus Mode' in iPadOS/iOS15 it will be possible to create 'home screens' based on a tasks.
So one can set up 'music task' with only selected music apps and notifications disabled etc.

Cheers!

icsleepers

@NeonSilicon said:
It seems to be a bit random where stuff ends up. But, to give Apple some credit, I just now did a search for "music" on the App Store and PowerPoint came up before GarageBand.

LOL attaboy!!!

ErrkaPetti

This guy should be rewarded by Apple - and his new ”haircut”!

https://twitter.com/jakob_haq/status/1431998625375309828

nickneek

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

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Why does that guy’s fake accent annoy me so much? Serenity now....

I am not sure it's fake. That's just how we Brits talk.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@nickneek said:

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

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Why does that guy’s fake accent annoy me so much? Serenity now....

I am not sure it's fake. That's just how we Brits talk.

That accent is real? Maybe it’s just him I don’t like then. It’s rare for a big-hearted loving person like me to take an instant dislike to anyone, especially over something so trivial. He must really be a piece of shyte; there is no other possible explanation!

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@NeonSilicon said:>
It seems to be a bit random where stuff ends up. But, to give Apple some credit, I just now did a search for "music" on the App Store and PowerPoint came up before GarageBand.

Now search for “GarageBand”. There is maybe a 50% chance it comes in at the top.

tahiche

@echoopera said:
Enough of these threads about not this, not that, why not, how come…go and make art and music and beautiful creations for the world with the amazing tech and tools you literally have at your fingertips.

Not nearly enough, sorry! 😬

Amazing Devs have realized their unique visions to unleash upon the world. No amount of belly aching and 1st world problem complaining will help you to create beautiful things.

It’s time to stop bemoaning what’s missing or lacking and take the baton developers gave us as their apps. Let’s celebrate their great work with the good works we create with these apps.

Except what’s lacking is devs getting paid fairly for their amazing work. Its unsustainable.

Now go. Enough of the moany water cooler talk. Get some Sun. Pour some ocean water on your face. Watch some kids play. Have a good cup of coffee or glass of wine.

Except devs, they have to work on their holidays from their “real jobs”.

Sorry mate!. I do appreciate your enthusiasm and positivism. Cheers!. 🙏🙌

echoopera

🤔🤨😉👊🏼™️

AudioGus

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@nickneek said:

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

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Why does that guy’s fake accent annoy me so much? Serenity now....

I am not sure it's fake. That's just how we Brits talk.

That accent is real? Maybe it’s just him I don’t like then. It’s rare for a big-hearted loving person like me to take an instant dislike to anyone, especially over something so trivial. He must really be a piece of shyte; there is no other possible explanation!

Judge now, drink later I always say!

supadom

@rs2000 said:

@ervin said:

@BitterGums said:
Yes, sadly but understandably...$$$$. That's the sole reason. I recently saw a pie graph showing the breakdown of sales for apple and iPad is lowest on the list. So that tells you one thing. Then look at the app store and see what sells most.. it's mostly social media and games. Music apps are also extremely low on the list.

That said, unlike @jacou 's point, i still feel like out of the many monopolys, apple are one of the few to retain their innovation, creativity and ethics. Even if it doesn't always swing in my favor.

"Innovation, creativity and ethics"

• innovation: we can give you (almost) proper widgets in ios, a mere 10 years after android!
• creativity: as a brilliant example of out-of-the-box thinking, we are convinced none of you need those pesky headphone jacks, memory card slots - or more than one port, really
• ethics: if you devs are serious enough to sue us we might pretend to let you out of our payment racket

Sorry, I am aware this is one-sided but I couldn't resist. 🤷

I agree, the only real innovations I can see are coming from the developers.

Maybe that’s the best deal. Apple makes decent hardware with half decent OS and devs do the rest. If they could only stop breaking audio related things with their updates I’d be overall quite content.

Especially now when usb c provides a decent amount of juice to the controllers.

LinearLineman

I want to say this in the right way... I don’t want to offend anyone. I think the actual people involved in iOS music making need to respect, listen to and consider the actual musical output that is possible on the platform.

I understand this is a tech forum, but the lack of response to musical creativity here might reflect, or be reflected by Apple’s attitude... that this is just something for hobbyists. That real musical output is still relegated to desktop and studio work.

I’m not talking about myself. Lordy, I’m over the top with output. I don’t expect folks to overtly appreciate or analyze every track I make. That is perfectly fine. And there is a dedicated audience with the SOTMC. But, it is easy to see (IMO) that people who could use the affirmation and encouragement to keep producing finished tracks and who need to be supported (inspired) to keep learning and evolving. I’m talking about musicians with the creative chops who need to learn the craft. How do we draw in those musicians and support them?

That’s not to say folks aren’t kind here. They are. I’d rather post here than on a forum where egos torture music and its makers for their own needs. I’m just guessing that until iOS leaves the hobbyist realm and is capable of near professional results that artists actually create with, that Apple will not take it seriously, even tho many devs do.

As to photography and video, let’s face it... it’s a helluva lot easier to produce an acceptable and attractive result. Hence, many, many more hobbyists and that draws the avaricious stomachs of Apple. It’s simply more profitable.

These are just my observations. I could be totally wrong. And, also, should we really care?
For me, personally, things are as good as they can get musically and I have no complaint with Apple. But, as a musician who thinks of himself as an artist and not a hobbyist, I might be an anomaly,

echoopera

@LinearLineman said:
I want to say this in the right way... I don’t want to offend anyone. I think the actual people involved in iOS music making need to respect, listen to and consider the actual musical output that is possible on the platform.

I understand this is a tech forum, but the lack of response to musical creativity here might reflect, or be reflected by Apple’s attitude... that this is just something for hobbyists. That real musical output is still relegated to desktop and studio work.

I’m not talking about myself. Lordy, I’m over the top with output. I don’t expect folks to overtly appreciate or analyze every track I make. That is perfectly fine. And there is a dedicated audience with the SOTMC. But, it is easy to see (IMO) that people who could use the affirmation and encouragement to keep producing finished tracks and need to be supported (inspired) to keep learning and evolving.

That’s not to say folks aren’t kind here. They are. I’d rather post here than on a forum where egos torture music and its makers for their own needs. I’m just guessing that until iOS leaves the hobbyist realm and is capable of near professional results that artists actually create with, that Apple will not take it seriously, even tho many devs do.

As to photography and video, let’s face it... it’s a helluva lot easier to produce an acceptable and attractive result. Hence, many, many more hobbyists and that draws the avaricious stomachs of Apple. It’s simply more profitable.

These are just my observations. I could be totally wrong.

Succinct and clear. Pure wisdom in these words. 💕 thanks for your inspiration…it’s super motivating to me who started on this whole iOS music making adventure in 2015. It’s been an amazing journey and i am personally looking forward to seeing it grow and evolve.

supadom

@echoopera said:
Enough of these threads about not this, not that, why not, how come…go and make art and music and beautiful creations for the world with the amazing tech and tools you literally have at your fingertips.

Amazing Devs have realized their unique visions to unleash upon the world. No amount of belly aching and 1st world problem complaining will help you to create beautiful things.

It’s time to stop bemoaning what’s missing or lacking and take the baton developers gave us as their apps. Let’s celebrate their great work with the good works we create with these apps.

Now go. Enough of the moany water cooler talk. Get some Sun. Pour some ocean water on your face. Watch some kids play. Have a good cup of coffee or glass of wine.

Life is how we live it. It’s your birth right.

Much love 👊🏼™️💕

Well said. The platform, the hardware and the apps are definitely mature enough for creation.
I remember when only a few years ago all I had was iPad 2.

AudioGus

I think even on desktop that the audio making world (pro/hobbiest/whatever) is a drop compared to the visual making world. I think the iOS dimension merely reflects that and things scaled down relatively much the same here.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@LinearLineman said:
I want to say this in the right way... I don’t want to offend anyone. I think the actual people involved in iOS music making need to respect, listen to and consider the actual musical output that is possible on the platform.

I understand this is a tech forum, but the lack of response to musical creativity here might reflect, or be reflected by Apple’s attitude... that this is just something for hobbyists. That real musical output is still relegated to desktop and studio work.

I’m not talking about myself. Lordy, I’m over the top with output. I don’t expect folks to overtly appreciate or analyze every track I make. That is perfectly fine. And there is a dedicated audience with the SOTMC. But, it is easy to see (IMO) that people who could use the affirmation and encouragement to keep producing finished tracks and who need to be supported (inspired) to keep learning and evolving. I’m talking about musicians with the creative chops who need to learn the craft. How do we draw in those musicians and support them?

That’s not to say folks aren’t kind here. They are. I’d rather post here than on a forum where egos torture music and its makers for their own needs. I’m just guessing that until iOS leaves the hobbyist realm and is capable of near professional results that artists actually create with, that Apple will not take it seriously, even tho many devs do.

As to photography and video, let’s face it... it’s a helluva lot easier to produce an acceptable and attractive result. Hence, many, many more hobbyists and that draws the avaricious stomachs of Apple. It’s simply more profitable.

These are just my observations. I could be totally wrong. And, also, should we really care?
For me, personally, things are as good as they can get musically and I have no complaint with Apple. But, as a musician who thinks of himself as an artist and not a hobbyist, I might be an anomaly,

I may be misunderstanding your argument, but Sturgeon’s Law applies everywhere. 90% of everything is crap no matter the platform.

AlmostAnonymous

When apple decides to make a play, it will grow. Until then, the uninformed user base will think ios music apps consist of skewmorphic replicas of electribes, mpcs, and such with no real way of tying them together.
People dont ever know about things like audiobus/aum, drambo, keystage, etc unless they are introduced to them by people like ourselves.

And if and when apple does make that play, it sure as hell wont be logic.
Right now theyre totally content selling you a 1k$ ipad as a remote as an addition to your 2k$ computer.

LinearLineman

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@LinearLineman said:
I want to say this in the right way... I don’t want to offend anyone. I think the actual people involved in iOS music making need to respect, listen to and consider the actual musical output that is possible on the platform.

I understand this is a tech forum, but the lack of response to musical creativity here might reflect, or be reflected by Apple’s attitude... that this is just something for hobbyists. That real musical output is still relegated to desktop and studio work.

I’m not talking about myself. Lordy, I’m over the top with output. I don’t expect folks to overtly appreciate or analyze every track I make. That is perfectly fine. And there is a dedicated audience with the SOTMC. But, it is easy to see (IMO) that people who could use the affirmation and encouragement to keep producing finished tracks and who need to be supported (inspired) to keep learning and evolving. I’m talking about musicians with the creative chops who need to learn the craft. How do we draw in those musicians and support them?

That’s not to say folks aren’t kind here. They are. I’d rather post here than on a forum where egos torture music and its makers for their own needs. I’m just guessing that until iOS leaves the hobbyist realm and is capable of near professional results that artists actually create with, that Apple will not take it seriously, even tho many devs do.

As to photography and video, let’s face it... it’s a helluva lot easier to produce an acceptable and attractive result. Hence, many, many more hobbyists and that draws the avaricious stomachs of Apple. It’s simply more profitable.

These are just my observations. I could be totally wrong. And, also, should we really care?
For me, personally, things are as good as they can get musically and I have no complaint with Apple. But, as a musician who thinks of himself as an artist and not a hobbyist, I might be an anomaly,

I may be misunderstanding your argument, but Sturgeon’s Law applies everywhere. 90% of everything is crap no matter the platform.

I agree with that, tho according to one’s taste that 90% varies. I was just addressing why Apple doesn’t take iOS music production very seriously... tho for a corporation that doesn’t take it seriously it sure has made it seriously possible. Obviously they are compensated, but it’s a very small slice out of their trillion dollar income pie chart

realdawei

In many production and live event scenarios the physical computer is just a small piece of the puzzle…people are still lugging around (and enjoying) all kinds of hardware, keyboards, controllers, mixers…switching from a computer to a mobile device is not even a major thing on their minds.

This is the roughly the response I recall (first hand) from an individual very high up on the Apple pro Apps food chain

jazzmess

Too many third party hubs/dongles/ accessories involved :-)

Andre_K

Considering how much the iOS platform is used by musicians compared to other mobile platforms, I think that Apple values people making music on iOS better than any other mobile platform I know. We shouldn't expect more than what we already have. At the end of the day I can name and organize my music production app hoarding disorder on my own. Apple has better things to worry about ... like scanning our phones for kiddie porn pictures and shit ... you know.

AudioGus

@realdawei said:
In many production and live event scenarios the physical computer is just a small piece of the puzzle…people are still lugging around (and enjoying) all kinds of hardware, keyboards, controllers, mixers…switching from a computer to a mobile device is not even a major thing on their minds.

True

@jazzmess said:
Too many third party hubs/dongles/ accessories involved :-)

True 2

Telstar5

@echoopera 👍👍👍👍👍❤️👍👍👍👍

ervin

@LinearLineman said:
As to photography and video, let’s face it... it’s a helluva lot easier to produce an acceptable and attractive result.

Are you sure about that, Maestro?

Respectful counterpoint: talented photographers and video makers are just as few and far between in the "social media content creator" crowd as remarkable musicians. Their talent needs to be just as big to stand out and their job is not easier in any way. IMHO of course.

AudioGus

@ervin said:

@LinearLineman said:
As to photography and video, let’s face it... it’s a helluva lot easier to produce an acceptable and attractive result.

Are you sure about that, Maestro?

Respectful counterpoint: talented photographers and video makers are just as few and far between in the "social media content creator" crowd as remarkable musicians. Their talent needs to be just as big to stand out and their job is not easier in any way. IMHO of course.

For sure, I do agree, but he did say ‘acceptable and attractive’ though and not ‘remarkable’. He also did specifically refer to ‘many, many more hobbiests’ and was not talking about those who ‘stand out’.