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Is Beathawk capable of time stetching multiple bars
I know there’s been a state of the union thread regarding time streatch capable apps listing those tthat hav ELASTIQUE PRO vs those that use iOS’s rather rubbish buit in affair and those that have rolled there own.
I have Aurio Pro (the king of time stretch on iOS) but I prefer to work in Cubasis 3 these days. EG’s Segments is too restrictive (32 slices in the new update) in that it’s optimised for 1 and 2 bar loops. And ReSlice is much the same.
I remember reading good stuff about Beathawk ref the quality of it’s time streatch (which I suspect is UVI’s own creation, which they use in UVI Workstation on the desktop). And I also remember reading that Beathawk happy to work with time stretch material longer than 1 or 2 loops.
I’m not interested in any of the UVI soundpacks and it’s dirt cheap as it’s pretty a much front window to the UVI sound pack store. At under a tenner, if it does what I need I’ll be happy to only use 10% of what it’s capable of.
As I understand things it’s not got multi-out, but in this instance it doesn’t matter.
Any thoughts on Beathawk? If you think Beathawk isn’t up to the job, any other recommendations based on the needs I’ve described here.
Thanks in advance.
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As far as I know Cubasis also uses Elastique Pro for stretching (You can select the mode to use when enabling stretch)...
...but you can't manually warp sections.
I've never gotten warping of user audio directly working in BeatHawk but if one takes a round-trip thru BM3 and saves a *.wav with slice pointers and tempo information as an AppleLoop BeatHawk will be able to stretch it and slice the slices to keys etc.
But just to get BeatHawk and use it as AUv3 to do stretching is not worth it in my opinion...
BeatHawk's time stretching is not on a par with the better iOS time-stretching. A number of apps are of a similar ilk to AP (unless you are using warp points where it still rules). Cubasis, Zenbeats, BlocsWave, BeatMaker 3, Koala are all of similar quality to AP for a lot of material. GarageBand is pretty good, too.
Thanks for the info Samu. The important bit for me isn’t simple time stretching, it’s retiming the phrasing of clips whilst maintaining pitch. You can’t do that in Cubasis. I never upgraded to BM3 and that’s a significantly hight cost than Beathawk - just to rephrase some vocals. Being an Ableton boy, I would usually sort out phrasing in Ableton (where it’s a relatively simple task) and then transfer stems to iOS. But I’m attempting to do a full production using only iOS; no hardware, no desktop DAW (to date, I always take my iOS sketchs into a desktop DAW for the final production).
Talking of BM3 round tripping. I have Audition, maybe that’s my best option, as it’s not only good quality, it allows you to edit the warp markers. I’m not sure if you get the elastic capabilitied as one does in Ableton but I suppose it’s worth a shot. Failing that, BM3 it may have to be.
BM3 can't do 'warping' per se unless to re-sequence & tweak the slices and/or resort to using other tricks like adjusting the pitch on the fly with time-stretch enabled to keep the timing of the original phrase.
So for now we're 'stuck' with the tools we have and I've seen no real signs of anything 'revolutionary' popping up in the near future... (I doubt Apple will ever bring full Logic to iPad as an example).
As for Ableton in general, I've lost hope in them for ever bringing anything else than Link to iOS...
(I'd love to be proven wrong here though...).
Cheers!
(unless you are using warp points where it still rules)…
That caught my attention, as that’s my exact requirement. Shifting warp markers to fit the groove . I suppost I could export a mixdown from Cubasis to take into Auria and then do the retiming there. That would work, and I wouldn’t be breaking any of the restrictions I’ve put on myself.
If only iOS had Rewire so that AP could sync and stream audio to Cubasis! If CB and AP had Ableton Link, you could at have a go vie IAA. But that’s never going to happen!
I guess Link == Cubasis is in a limbo since every time (it's been requested for years, ever since Link dropped) it's mentioned a 'high development cost' is mentioned as a reason why it's not preset...
...same with features like tempo-track which are have been requested since Cubasis 1.something.
When Cubasis introduced time-stretching warping was requested (it shouldn't be rocket science since they have a team that has done it for the desktop Cubase already and the Elasticque SDK is the same for all platforms) but it's still awol.
It will be interesting so if 2022 will be another 'limbo year' regarding more advanced apps...
...I see no point in upgrading my iPad Air 2 to a more modern one if the app situation doesn't see a drastic change.
Since you've already got Auria Pro I guess the best solution is to do the more advanced editing there.
(it's a matter of saving an audio-event to the media-bay and import it to AuriaPro for editing, and then save it back straight into the Cubasis media bay and drag it back to the time-line, and thankfully both apps have ok Files.app support).
It is what it is...
Cheers!