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  • edited December 2023

    @SevenSystems , @LFS and @Samu : Unfortunately xequence suffers from the same non ability to mix time signatures that Cubasis does and apparently cannot be rewritten. Otherwise it would be nothing short of incredible .

  • @Telstar5 said:
    @SevenSystems , @LFS and @Samu : Unfortunately xequence suffers from the same non ability to mix time signatures that Cubasis does and apparently cannot be rewritten. Otherwise it would be nothing short of incredible .

    And that's just one the many reasons I'll stick to primarily using LogicPro for iPad and LogicPro on my Mac :sunglasses:

    Considering Cubasis 3.6 can already change tempo on the fly (by syncing it to Ableton Link) the engine is definitely capable of live tempo-changes, time signatures changes can however be a 'Logical Puzzle' to get right (think syncing delays, arpeggiators, LFOs, Automation etc when the time-signature changes). A Tempo Track should be relative easy to do though, it's 'just' another parameter to automate.

    Xequence does many things right but is not 'perfect'.

    I also think we need to understand the 'difference' between a 'Piano Roll Editor' and 'Tempo / Time-Signatures' they are NOT the same, far from it.

    The Piano-Roll Editor is used to edit the actual notes, not to manipulate the tempo and time-signatures.

    Cheers!

  • @LFS and @Samu : BINGO ! An updated version of Yamaha Mobile Misic sequencer .. Eureka… Awesome idea!!!!.. I LOVE that thing .. If they updated and improved it , it would be the bee’s knees!!

  • For those that are unfamiliar with the Yamaha MMS here's an old video from @sfm Leo!

    It's kinda hard to imagine this app was initially released 10+ years ago and got so many things right when it comes to the piano-roll...

    Sure the 'looks' are a bit dated by todays standards but it still runs perfectly on a modern M1 iPadPro running iPadOS17.2 which is a testament to a well written software. Sure it doesn't adapt to 11" iPad but those were not even available back then.

    Cheers!

  • @Samu said:
    For those that are unfamiliar with the Yamaha MMS here's an old video from @sfm Leo!

    It's kinda hard to imagine this app was initially released 10+ years ago and got so many things right when it comes to the piano-roll...

    Sure the 'looks' are a bit dated by todays standards but it still runs perfectly on a modern M1 iPadPro running iPadOS17.2 which is a testament to a well written software. Sure it doesn't adapt to 11" iPad but those were not even available back then.

    Cheers!

    wow. shitty music was already possible back then. interesting.

  • @Samu said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @SevenSystems , @LFS and @Samu : Unfortunately xequence suffers from the same non ability to mix time signatures that Cubasis does and apparently cannot be rewritten. Otherwise it would be nothing short of incredible .

    And that's just one the many reasons I'll stick to primarily using LogicPro for iPad and LogicPro on my Mac :sunglasses:

    Considering Cubasis 3.6 can already change tempo on the fly (by syncing it to Ableton Link) the engine is definitely capable of live tempo-changes, time signatures changes can however be a 'Logical Puzzle' to get right (think syncing delays, arpeggiators, LFOs, Automation etc when the time-signature changes). A Tempo Track should be relative easy to do though, it's 'just' another parameter to automate.

    Xequence does many things right but is not 'perfect'.

    I also think we need to understand the 'difference' between a 'Piano Roll Editor' and 'Tempo / Time-Signatures' they are NOT the same, far from it.

    The Piano-Roll Editor is used to edit the actual notes, not to manipulate the tempo and time-signatures.

    Cheers!

    Interestingly….. When Cubasis 3 was updated with Ableton Link I thought, I could use this to get around the lack of tempo track. I’ll sync it to Cubase and use the tempo track in there. Oh wait…. Cubase doesn’t have Ableton Link. Bummer! I did a search and found lots of people asking for Ableton Link in Cubase. But so far it doesn’t have it. Being able to sync the 2 DAWs would help me in a big way.

  • edited December 2023

    I do wonder if we'll ever see another Yamaha synth app for the iPhone/iPad based on Yamaha's AN engine?

    Preferably a fully programmable version with full AUv3 support...

  • @Samu said:
    I do wonder if we'll ever see another Yamaha synth app for the iPhone/iPad based on Yamaha's AN engine?

    Preferably a fully programmable version with full AUv3 support...

    Interesting. See it for the first time.
    But shouldn't this be in a new thread? It's has nothing to do with Cubasis.

  • @HarlekinX said:

    @Samu said:
    I do wonder if we'll ever see another Yamaha synth app for the iPhone/iPad based on Yamaha's AN engine?

    Preferably a fully programmable version with full AUv3 support...

    Interesting. See it for the first time.
    But shouldn't this be in a new thread? It's has nothing to do with Cubasis.

    Partially it has because Yamaha 'owns' Steinberg so there are some software development synergies to be had by crossbreeding apps and know-how between the companies which in the long-run would reduce the over all corporate costs :sunglasses: (Ie. why bother with two separate software companies under the same 'umbrella').

    We got the FM Classics which could in practice have been the FM Essentials.app with full patch-editing capabilities.

    Cheers!

  • edited December 2023

    @HarlekinX said:

    @Samu said:
    I do wonder if we'll ever see another Yamaha synth app for the iPhone/iPad based on Yamaha's AN engine?

    Preferably a fully programmable version with full AUv3 support...

    Interesting. See it for the first time.
    But shouldn't this be in a new thread? It's has nothing to do with Cubasis.

    as samu already stated, he will not post about cubasis anymore, as he is finally through with it.
    as a gift he's penetrating this thread with off topic stuff. 😀
    samu, didn't you wanted to stay out of this thread? 😂

  • @Samu said:
    Partially it has because Yamaha 'owns' Steinberg so there are some software development synergies to be had by crossbreeding apps and know-how between the companies which in the long-run would reduce the over all corporate costs :sunglasses: (Ie. why bother with two separate software companies under the same 'umbrella').

    We got the FM Classics which could in practice have been the FM Essentials.app with full patch-editing capabilities.

    Cheers!

    Good argument 👍

  • @Birdpie said:

    samu, didn't you wanted to stay out of this thread? 😂

    I can always jump in to annoy someone LOL :sunglasses:

  • edited December 2023

    @Birdpie ,please stop busting Samu’s balls, lol……It’s all my fault for heartening him back here..

  • @Samu : The articulation settings in some of the halion sounds are lifted or should I say cross pollinated from the Yamaha motif series of synths…

  • @Samu said:

    @Birdpie said:

    samu, didn't you wanted to stay out of this thread? 😂

    I can always jump in to annoy someone LOL :sunglasses:

    i get that. that's the spirit 👍😀

  • @Telstar5 said:
    @Samu : The articulation settings in some of the halion sounds are lifted or should I say cross pollinated from the Yamaha motif series of synths…

    True but it makes 'editing' articulations a bit hit or miss.
    The 'notes' which are used for articulation should show the type of articulation instead of the regular note names.
    (ex. If C#0 is used for 'legato' the note in the left side keys in the piano roll could show 'legato' instead of C#0).

    Also the current way makes it impossible to apply articulations to individual notes (think sustained strings with a a few pizzicato hits on top using the same instrument). This is a no can do as 'articulations' only last as long as the articulation note/notes is/are held so multiple tracks would be needed. (In LogicPro for iPad I can easily select a bunch of notes and assign articulation to them no need to hunt down which note needs to be triggered/held prior to the notes being played).

    Just because articulations can be 'played' in a certain way doesn't make them 'editor friendly'.
    Just look at MPE, total mess to edit in just about any DAW so far regardless if it's desktop or mobile...

    Cheers!

  • @Samu said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @Samu : The articulation settings in some of the halion sounds are lifted or should I say cross pollinated from the Yamaha motif series of synths…

    True but it makes 'editing' articulations a bit hit or miss.
    The 'notes' which are used for articulation should show the type of articulation instead of the regular note names.
    (ex. If C#0 is used for 'legato' the note in the left side keys in the piano roll could show 'legato' instead of C#0).

    Also the current way makes it impossible to apply articulations to individual notes (think sustained strings with a a few pizzicato hits on top using the same instrument). This is a no can do as 'articulations' only last as long as the articulation note/notes is/are held so multiple tracks would be needed. (In LogicPro for iPad I can easily select a bunch of notes and assign articulation to them no need to hunt down which note needs to be triggered/held prior to the notes being played).

    Just because articulations can be 'played' in a certain way doesn't make them 'editor friendly'.
    Just look at MPE, total mess to edit in just about any DAW so far regardless if it's desktop or mobile...

    Cheers!

    thats why i use audiolayer as au sampler.
    i can finally build my instruments like i want.

  • @Birdpie said:

    @Samu said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @Samu : The articulation settings in some of the halion sounds are lifted or should I say cross pollinated from the Yamaha motif series of synths…

    True but it makes 'editing' articulations a bit hit or miss.
    The 'notes' which are used for articulation should show the type of articulation instead of the regular note names.
    (ex. If C#0 is used for 'legato' the note in the left side keys in the piano roll could show 'legato' instead of C#0).

    Also the current way makes it impossible to apply articulations to individual notes (think sustained strings with a a few pizzicato hits on top using the same instrument). This is a no can do as 'articulations' only last as long as the articulation note/notes is/are held so multiple tracks would be needed. (In LogicPro for iPad I can easily select a bunch of notes and assign articulation to them no need to hunt down which note needs to be triggered/held prior to the notes being played).

    Just because articulations can be 'played' in a certain way doesn't make them 'editor friendly'.
    Just look at MPE, total mess to edit in just about any DAW so far regardless if it's desktop or mobile...

    Cheers!

    thats why i use audiolayer as au sampler.
    i can finally build my instruments like i want.

    This is why I don't care as much about the sampler portion of Cubasis nor tempo tracks, easily worked around by using Koala or going unquantized for a bit. PDC would be handy and is kinda weird to not have. I find it hardest going back from AUM for creating sounds by experimenting with plugins. It is so tedious changing an AU in Cubasis without a search function. P in Pro-ff whatever is sooo looong down that list, even after thinning it out. Making templates becomes stale. Still miss an option to turn the hub off and return to last project state, but thanks for the tip in that regard @LFS . Midi-learning AU parameters to HW would be my first priority. By just recording everything the editors do what i need in the timeline without pops or clicks, works for my flow, but they should definitively be consolidated into one like someone said. Just my five cents, merry christmas!

  • still off topic:
    audiolayer has really grown up as sampler.
    the only thing i miss from kontakt is the ability to load kontakt libraries. 😂
    @virsyn, can't you make a deal with nnative instruments?
    to use audiolayer as licensed kontakt player for ios, copy protected and only edible like the kontakt player?

  • @Birdpie said:
    still off topic:
    audiolayer has really grown up as sampler.
    the only thing i miss from kontakt is the ability to load kontakt libraries. 😂
    @virsyn, can't you make a deal with nnative instruments?
    to use audiolayer as licensed kontakt player for ios, copy protected and only edible like the kontakt player?

    100%
    Would love a Kontact player for iOS

  • @LFS While you are open to suggestions. What about smaller updates but more frequently. I get that it's not always possible because some things take a long time for your small team.

    But people would welcome more frequent update I think. Anybody agree ?

  • @TimRussell said:

    @Birdpie said:
    still off topic:
    audiolayer has really grown up as sampler.
    the only thing i miss from kontakt is the ability to load kontakt libraries. 😂
    @virsyn, can't you make a deal with nnative instruments?
    to use audiolayer as licensed kontakt player for ios, copy protected and only edible like the kontakt player?

    100%
    Would love a Kontact player for iOS

    It would eat up storage but that would definitely be awesome.

  • LFSLFS
    edited December 2023

    @ecou said:
    @LFS While you are open to suggestions. What about smaller updates but more frequently. I get that it's not always possible because some things take a long time for your small team.

    But people would welcome more frequent update I think. Anybody agree ?

    Hi @ecou

    Thanks for you suggestion!

    Releasing a Cubasis update often takes several months of alpha, beta and release testings. Especially in the beta and release phase the engineering has to focus on fixing and improving issues, taking them away to develop features.

    But I fully understand the need and we will discuss this option in the team.

    Thanks again,
    Lars

  • edited December 2023

    hello, I just have a question about the new instruments, I have taken Halion for the moment but I have not found any envelope is this normal? the other instruments don't have envelopes either?? Did I miss anything? I haven't seen any users mention it so maybe I'm wrong. Let's say it's less annoying for the Halion part even if I would like to have this control (like UVi ios app does), but if this is also the case on the other Fm instruments, without an envelope I find it very limiting. I don't see myself automating this parameter. The sounds of Halion remind me of modx, especially for the guitars so it's a very good rompler! But I'm lost without an envelope ;)

  • @ChoopCGen said:
    hello, I just have a question about the new instruments, I have taken Halion for the moment but I have not found any envelope is this normal? the other instruments don't have envelopes either?? Did I miss anything? I haven't seen any users mention it so maybe I'm wrong. Let's say it's less annoying for the Halion part even if I would like to have this control (like UVi ios app does), but if this is also the case on the other Fm instruments, without an envelope I find it very limiting. I don't see myself automating this parameter. The sounds of Halion remind me of modx, especially for the guitars so it's a very good rompler! But I'm lost without an envelope ;)

    I did find 'automation parameters' for controlling Attack and Decay for both amp and Amp and Filter envelopes but there's no UI knobs to edit them so I would not be surprised if @LFS and his team adds an additional page to HALion allowing editing of these 'extra' parameters :sunglasses:
    (You can see all the parameters that an instrument provides by going into the automation editor for the instrument on a track).

    Cheers!

  • yes I saw the parameter and that's why I found this surprising! but in fact it’s there! I hope they do what you mention! ;)

  • @ChoopCGen said:
    yes I saw the parameter and that's why I found this surprising! but in fact it’s there! I hope they do what you mention! ;)

    We as end-users can always wish for a thing or two but the decision to implement stuff is not in our hands ;)

  • Anyone got tips on using keyswitches/articulations in an easier manner? I'm trying to make a rather complex guitar lead but it's kind of tedious going back and forth between the lowest notes and the c5-c7 range lol.

  • @Jerry said:
    Anyone got tips on using keyswitches/articulations in an easier manner? I'm trying to make a rather complex guitar lead but it's kind of tedious going back and forth between the lowest notes and the c5-c7 range lol.

    Only 'work-around' is to use an external keyboard for the C5-C7 range and touch-screen for the articulations.
    If they on-screen keyboard had two rows with separate octave ranges this would not be an issue :)

  • edited December 2023

    v3.6.1 is live!

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