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DecentSampler alternatives?
Looking for a reliable app to play multi sampled instruments with, I currently use AudioLayer but the import process is very fiddly and I’d prefer something with exposed AU parameters, ideally that can be set per instrument ala DS’s attempted but failed implementation.
DecentSampler’s sounds are wonderful but the crashing, resource management and hissing tones from nowhere are too much for me to handle anymore.
In a previous DecentSampler thread from last year, a “DecentSampler killer” was hyped up but I’m not sure where that hype was coming from or if it ever released?
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I think the “killer app“ was some subscription-based rompler. There’s Tomofon which costs money but is pretty solid if you really want to sit down and get deep with sampling.
The new AudioModern app that’s coming may be an alternative for a multisample based app, but not really sure how it is to use until it hits iOS.
Maybe watch Doug at The Soundtest Rooms demo and ask him, as I think he has experience making sounds on it - can’t remember how in-depth his sounds were, or if he used his own samples.
My question is if you're looking for a rompler? Or something to load downloaded samples in?
@Fruitbat1919 :Korg module Pro and Beathawk. What’s coming from imaginando?
I said AudioModern not imaginando?
Indeed @Goldiblockz if you're looking for a rompler with ready-made sounds, I second Beathawk and Korg Module Pro and all their IAPs. Will be quite the investment, but worth it in the end. Both apps work as AUv3 in any AUv3 host/DAW.
That said, I'll take Korg Module Pro and Beathawk and raise you Pure Synth Platinum by the incredible @GospelMusicians . Of course if you have GAS for those IAPs, while it's an investment, it'll take up damn near 100gb of storage! So if your device can handle that storage amount, definitely go for it.
(Of course external storage is also an option in PSP2, but be warned it downloads to your device first before heading over to your external HD, at least as far as I can recall. Someone else, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken. Rubbish sleep last night, so my faculties aren't 100%. 😂 )
There's also XinematiX, which takes up over 30gb of storage. It used to cost a sh-tload of dinero, but these days it's under 30 quid as far as I can recall. (Again, my brain isn't on a full tank of mental petrol, lol.) Worth every cent.
(For the record, all these romplers requiring lots of storage is why I financed a 1TB iPhone 14 Pro Max and, once Apple smartened up and released a Mini A17 with 512gb storage, I financed that. The previous Mini 6s had max 256 storage capacity.)
Fruitbat said AudioModern. What's coming from Imaginando is iPhone support for BAM (amongst the usual bug fixes and quality-of-life improvements, lol.)
@Goldiblockz
The new Audiomodern app is potentially an (mpe) Decent Sampler killer. On desktop it requires the purchase of one pack to unlock it and after that you should be able to make your own packs etc. I'm assuming they will use the same model for iOS. iOS version is not out yet. Likely out soon.
@Fruitbart : Sorry, I’ll correct . Yes , I meant audio modern.. What’s coming from them?
@jwmmakerofmusic : Yes, I meant Audiomodern..
@jwmmakerofmusic : I was under the impression that xinematix was primarily film composer sounds..?
Thanks @Gavinski and @Goldiblockz
@jwmmakerofmusic : It says “External drive for sample storage . I thought at first that was like disk streaming but I guess it means literally the ability to store in an external drive as you said ..Couldn’t I just download to my iCloud though?
While the new AudioModern app packs will probably be quite large, you will be able to delete them no doubt if you just want to roll your own.
I have just 256gb and feeling the pain too lol. I had just 64gb last iPad. Paid this iPad off in a couple of months, so getting another of at least 512gb or 1tb. I’ve got a SD card reader that I transfer much of my Logic files to after some time, but I still struggle with space as iPads run better if you never get near their maximum storage space. I’ve recently got rid of all my paid for iCloud storage, as keeping large files backing up using iCloud takes even more of the iPads storage for file swaps and moving. If I wanted to back up many devices, I would be paying Apple half my wage each month lol (yeah, exaggeration for effect).
@Fruitbat1919 :Yeah, never again less than 512 or a terabyte..I didn’t know iCloud storage takes up present resources on my storage, ugh..I have over 200 gig left though..
It is. It's still a powerful rompler with many unique sounds, but more geared for film composing for sure (and I plan someday to compose music for videogames, so XinematiX is well geared for me personally.)
I also recommend BeatHawk, it has a lot of good samples. Currently they have sale going too.
I have every single pack
@Goldiblockz :I see ..”Soundbox” by audio modern I think..Gee that’s gonna be HUGE for iOS!
Same. Amazing packs.
"I don't need another rompler. I DON'T need another rompler."
(Lies I tell myself to prevent intense GAS. 😂 )
@Goldiblockz :lol
Xinematix is primarily a rompler for layered cinematic instruments yeah, but you can load the individual presets into AudioLayer and treat them as individual multi-sample instruments/layers. For $20 it was a no-brainer for me!! Has just enough flexibility between the two to get where I want to be.
I’m also a sucker for an O Fortuna sample in a hip hop beat, so these sounds fit the bill for the meal 🤤
Haha! Same mate. 😂 Also O Fortuna sample in EDM or any genre really. I love that about XinematiX. Won't lie, I never did get into AudioLayer, but the fact you can load XinematiX presets into AudioLayer is awesome.
Nice. You beat me, I have most, still missing about 5. They are all good.
The KQ Dixie developer has s multisample player that supports external drives and fisk streaming called isFizz. I think it only supports sfz files (the samples themselves can be in a number of different formats )
@espiegel123 beat me to it.
isFizz is really good. It's trim and efficient and KQ's support through their discord channel is excellent. Another nice thing about it is it's 100% compatible with the open-source desktop sFizz player.
I don't think it uses disk streaming (could be wrong about that - I should check), but I've loaded pretty large sound sets into it without crashes.
Free SFZ sound fonts are plentiful. Occasionally people have problems with certain downloaded SFZ's with any SFZ player when the samples. SFZ files are just text files, and isFizz lets you edit the files right in the app. That's handy for looking into any issues such as that.
I've made a few multi layer SFZ files on my own out of curiosity. It's a fascinating and powerful app for that, but time consuming and technical to learn how to make your own. I posted the TR Drums Series kits on GitHub if anyone is interested.
It does disk streaming.
@Goldiblockz it’s not too difficult to convert any non-UI-heavy, effects-free Decent Sampler instruments to SFZ using some open source utilities or a bit of hand-coding, but once you head into that pseudo-Kontakt territory of the more ambitious or experimental DS libraries, it’s not as feasible.
A few comments on what has been mentioned:
*BeatHawk - Amazing sound quality, wide variety of sound packs available with all types of sounds, works well as a standalone instrument as well as a groovebox. Can get expensive in $ and in storage space if you're a completist and want a lot of soundpacks, but I started with a few and added a few more every time it's on sale, and have not regretted it.
*isfizz - An excellent SFZ player from Ryouta Kira, one of my favorite developers. I've loaded files up to 2.5 GB in size with no issues, and it also supports loading directly from external storage, and works well for me on a SDXC memory card in a card reader. There are a lot of great SFZ sound sets out there, but you have to know where to look to find them. Also, there are some custom controls but they are the same across SFZ's. I'm not sure if it would be possible to have custom controls per SFZ (like DS has), but I know that it does support some degree of SFZ file customization (including image support). A plus is that the developer is quite active and responsive to any bug reports, so I expect isfizz to be well supported.
*KQ Sampei - An SF2/SF3 player from the same developer as isfizz. My favorite soundfont player for iOS. I've used it extensively to play very large piano soundfonts up to 1 GB with no issues. Extremely customizable with very flexible setup to load different soundfont sets and manage them. There are some custom controls for the instruments, but they are the standard stuff like portamento, glide, etc.
*Korg Module Pro - A very nice collection of instrument apps from Korg. I have one of the basic collections, and it's got some nice pianos and electric pianos and synth sounds, but some of the synths are very 80's sounding, so make sure you're getting the types of instruments you want before getting it and selecting the IAP's.
*Korg Gadget 3 - A very extensive collection of instruments (Gadgets) are included with the initial purchase, and they sound good, and some sound great. If I had to choose between this and Korg Module pro with the goal of having as many instrument sounds and variety of sounds as possible, this would be my pick. The instruments all support a lot of MIDI control options, which can be done from within Korg Gadget or when the individual instruments are loaded as AUv3 modules.
@EdZAB “
“. There are a lot of great SFZ sound sets out there, but you have to know where to look to find them. “—-Where to find them?
@EdZAB - Other than the volume and pan controls that are added by default, any controls defined in an SFZ file will appear in the app. If you're not seeing them in your SFZ instruments then they aren't defined in the instrument. isFizz has a built-in editor, so you can even add your own controls once you learn how. Controls, if defined, are per SFZ instrument.
@jbeni, thanks for clarifying that isFizz does disk streaming.