Waymaker by Aqeel Aadam (Released)

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Poppadocrock

I love apps that come with multiple AU’s bundled inside. This looks very interesting.

How are people enjoying it thus far?

Stuntman_mike

@Poppadocrock said:
I love apps that come with multiple AU’s bundled inside. This looks very interesting.

How are people enjoying it thus far?

I love it so far, it’s a happy accidents machine for me

Pxlhg

One can hope.

MMS

The bundle for all 3 Aqeel Adam apps is (as of now) solely available for the desktop versions — it would have been a nice gesture to have such bundle on iOS as well (and especially for existing users of Weeping Wall & Ridgewalk), yet often enough, prices for completing bundles appear completely illogical anyway . . .

billkuhl

Just starting to work through this. I can see how to add sequences but can't seem to delete them. Is the sequence delete feature working for anyone?

Hippo

@billkuhl said:
Just starting to work through this. I can see how to add sequences but can't seem to delete them. Is the sequence delete feature working for anyone?

You need to click on "Change" in the "Chain" field at the center of the main view / overview. You will get a list of sequencers and utilities, and at the bottom you will see "Delete this Sequencer".

The confusing part ist that you have to be in this main view, were you have the three fields at the bottom called Scale, Chain and Sequence Reset. If you see something else at the bottom you need to click on Back in the lower right corner.

It was driving me crazy yesterday, I had to watch Gavinski's great guide for the app to undestand the unusual logic:

Gavinski

@Hippo said:

@billkuhl said:
Just starting to work through this. I can see how to add sequences but can't seem to delete them. Is the sequence delete feature working for anyone?

You need to click on "Change" in the "Chain" field at the center of the main view / overview. You will get a list of sequencers and utilities, and at the bottom you will see "Delete this Sequencer".

The confusing part ist that you have to be in this main view, were you have the three fields at the bottom called Scale, Chain and Sequence Reset. If you see something else at the bottom you need to click on Back in the lower right corner.

It was driving me crazy yesterday, I had to watch Gavinski's great guide for the app to undestand the unusual logic:

Thanks - yeah that UI decision was really baffling to me! I can really imagine this whole thing designed in a much sleeker way. Impressive capabilities tho, and you do get used to the layout after a while

Pxlhg

@MMS said:
The bundle for all 3 Aqeel Adam apps is (as of now) solely available for the desktop versions — it would have been a nice gesture to have such bundle on iOS as well (and especially for existing users of Weeping Wall & Ridgewalk), yet often enough, prices for completing bundles appear completely illogical anyway . . .

Sure, I agree. I got a reply from Adam and it's not happening because of the already low prices on iOS. I'm not quoting verbatim but something to that extent.

It's alright, I think even if I have to wait a while before I can buy it. The intense storm of awesome apps hitting iOS lately has been hard on, at least my 'pile of coins'.

billkuhl

Thank you both!!!

@Gavinski said:

@Hippo said:

@billkuhl said:
Just starting to work through this. I can see how to add sequences but can't seem to delete them. Is the sequence delete feature working for anyone?

You need to click on "Change" in the "Chain" field at the center of the main view / overview. You will get a list of sequencers and utilities, and at the bottom you will see "Delete this Sequencer".

The confusing part ist that you have to be in this main view, were you have the three fields at the bottom called Scale, Chain and Sequence Reset. If you see something else at the bottom you need to click on Back in the lower right corner.

It was driving me crazy yesterday, I had to watch Gavinski's great guide for the app to undestand the unusual logic:

Thanks - yeah that UI decision was really baffling to me! I can really imagine this whole thing designed in a much sleeker way. Impressive capabilities tho, and you do get used to the layout after a while

Hippo

@Gavinski said:

@Hippo said:

@billkuhl said:
Just starting to work through this. I can see how to add sequences but can't seem to delete them. Is the sequence delete feature working for anyone?

You need to click on "Change" in the "Chain" field at the center of the main view / overview. You will get a list of sequencers and utilities, and at the bottom you will see "Delete this Sequencer".

The confusing part ist that you have to be in this main view, were you have the three fields at the bottom called Scale, Chain and Sequence Reset. If you see something else at the bottom you need to click on Back in the lower right corner.

It was driving me crazy yesterday, I had to watch Gavinski's great guide for the app to undestand the unusual logic:

Thanks - yeah that UI decision was really baffling to me! I can really imagine this whole thing designed in a much sleeker way. Impressive capabilities tho, and you do get used to the layout after a while

I was afraid to click on back, because I thought that I would get back to the initial window and lose the current project. And without knowing how to get this view you don't have access to the name of the sequence you are on, you don't know the scale you are in, and you can't delete a sequencer, just when you are trying to get familiar with the app.
Even just calling this button something else, like main view or show overview, would help the discoverability.

But once you know how it works, it works well. And you can get pretty unique results.

I still have to watch the part of your video about the transformative use, and i guess also the AAS mode, but without the first part I may have given up on the app. So, thank you for all the work you put in it.

skiphunt

@Pxlhg said:

@MMS said:
The bundle for all 3 Aqeel Adam apps is (as of now) solely available for the desktop versions — it would have been a nice gesture to have such bundle on iOS as well (and especially for existing users of Weeping Wall & Ridgewalk), yet often enough, prices for completing bundles appear completely illogical anyway . . .

Sure, I agree. I got a reply from Adam and it's not happening because of the already low prices on iOS. I'm not quoting verbatim but something to that extent.

It's alright, I think even if I have to wait a while before I can buy it. The intense storm of awesome apps hitting iOS lately has been hard on, at least my 'pile of coins'.

Meh 🫤 I was holding off for a bundle, but I’m in no hurry and will wait for a sale

MrStochastic

@Gavinski said:
Thanks - yeah that UI decision was really baffling to me! I can really imagine this whole thing designed in a much sleeker way. Impressive capabilities tho, and you do get used to the layout after a while

I agree. I like it a lot but some of the UI could be improved. One thing I wished right away would being able to turn off a sequence and turn it on again - so that I could compare things with and without it. I'm pretty sure there is not a way to do that. ? @aqeelaadam

Another idea (a big ask, I'm sure) would be if the background images of differing sequences could be slightly different colors. Or at least a more noticeable way to tell which sequence type I'm using. I get mixed up sometimes knowing which is which.

Gavinski

@Hippo said:

@Gavinski said:

@Hippo said:

@billkuhl said:
Just starting to work through this. I can see how to add sequences but can't seem to delete them. Is the sequence delete feature working for anyone?

You need to click on "Change" in the "Chain" field at the center of the main view / overview. You will get a list of sequencers and utilities, and at the bottom you will see "Delete this Sequencer".

The confusing part ist that you have to be in this main view, were you have the three fields at the bottom called Scale, Chain and Sequence Reset. If you see something else at the bottom you need to click on Back in the lower right corner.

It was driving me crazy yesterday, I had to watch Gavinski's great guide for the app to undestand the unusual logic:

Thanks - yeah that UI decision was really baffling to me! I can really imagine this whole thing designed in a much sleeker way. Impressive capabilities tho, and you do get used to the layout after a while

I was afraid to click on back, because I thought that I would get back to the initial window and lose the current project. And without knowing how to get this view you don't have access to the name of the sequence you are on, you don't know the scale you are in, and you can't delete a sequencer, just when you are trying to get familiar with the app.
Even just calling this button something else, like main view or show overview, would help the discoverability.

But once you know how it works, it works well. And you can get pretty unique results.

I still have to watch the part of your video about the transformative use, and i guess also the AAS mode, but without the first part I may have given up on the app. So, thank you for all the work you put in it.

Thanks! The transformative part is also really interesting, especially some stuff related ot the beat module. Have also only scratched the surface of AAS mode as I focused only on the 2 modules unique to that mode. Haven’t even tried using the other sequencers and utilities in AAS mode. A lot to explore!

egobeats

Absolute must have iOS sequencer imo. It's so good. I love the visual style of @aqeelaadam 's stuff... but the sequence types-- absolutely incredible.

The types of sequences and nuances you can pull are unique. Highly recommend Waymaker.

Kashi

@egobeats said:
Absolute must have iOS sequencer imo. It's so good. I love the visual style of @aqeelaadam 's stuff... but the sequence types-- absolutely incredible.

The types of sequences and nuances you can pull are unique. Highly recommend Waymaker.

What kind of music are you into making, if you don't mind me asking?
I'm always curious about new sequencers, but I'm not bothered about more conventional-type (very broadly speaking) "dance music". I like Mass, and the creative possibilities offered by Michal Macura's apps. Also Muse Bud is great for teasing out weird shapes and unpredictable flurries of sound. Am hoping that Waymaker falls into this category...

Gavinski

@Kashi said:

@egobeats said:
Absolute must have iOS sequencer imo. It's so good. I love the visual style of @aqeelaadam 's stuff... but the sequence types-- absolutely incredible.

The types of sequences and nuances you can pull are unique. Highly recommend Waymaker.

What kind of music are you into making, if you don't mind me asking?
I'm always curious about new sequencers, but I'm not bothered about more conventional-type (very broadly speaking) "dance music". I like Mass, and the creative possibilities offered by Michal Macura's apps. Also Muse Bud is great for teasing out weird shapes and unpredictable flurries of sound. Am hoping that Waymaker falls into this category...

It definitely falls into that category. You have to enjoy thinking about what you're doing, and that applies to those other apps as well, so I reckon you'd like it

Kashi

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:

@egobeats said:
Absolute must have iOS sequencer imo. It's so good. I love the visual style of @aqeelaadam 's stuff... but the sequence types-- absolutely incredible.

The types of sequences and nuances you can pull are unique. Highly recommend Waymaker.

What kind of music are you into making, if you don't mind me asking?
I'm always curious about new sequencers, but I'm not bothered about more conventional-type (very broadly speaking) "dance music". I like Mass, and the creative possibilities offered by Michal Macura's apps. Also Muse Bud is great for teasing out weird shapes and unpredictable flurries of sound. Am hoping that Waymaker falls into this category...

It definitely falls into that category. You have to enjoy thinking about what you're doing, and that applies to those other apps as well, so I reckon you'd like it

Cheers Gav 🙏🏼

Kashi

Does this have midi learn? Just watching Gav’s video. Love the idea of using a knob on an external controller to play around with the “free timing” mode.
@Gavinski

Gavinski

@Kashi said:
Does this have midi learn? Just watching Gav’s video. Love the idea of using a knob on an external controller to play around with the “free timing” mode.
@Gavinski

That's covered in the vid and the manual. You set it up in the app which parameters can be controlled. Not everything is assignable but speed is for sure. Then you'd finish the job using the host automation system to actually assign which cc controls what

Kashi

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:
Does this have midi learn? Just watching Gav’s video. Love the idea of using a knob on an external controller to play around with the “free timing” mode.
@Gavinski

That's covered in the vid and the manual. You set it up in the app which parameters can be controlled. Not everything is assignable but speed is for sure. Then you'd finish the job using the host automation system to actually assign which cc controls what

Oh, mustn't have got to that bit in the vid yet! Cheers man.
When you say "cc controls" , does that mean there's not midi learn per se?

Gavinski

@Kashi said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:
Does this have midi learn? Just watching Gav’s video. Love the idea of using a knob on an external controller to play around with the “free timing” mode.
@Gavinski

That's covered in the vid and the manual. You set it up in the app which parameters can be controlled. Not everything is assignable but speed is for sure. Then you'd finish the job using the host automation system to actually assign which cc controls what

Oh, mustn't have got to that bit in the vid yet! Cheers man.
When you say "cc controls" , does that mean there's not midi learn per se?

Yes there is no midi learn inside the app itself

Kashi

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:
Does this have midi learn? Just watching Gav’s video. Love the idea of using a knob on an external controller to play around with the “free timing” mode.
@Gavinski

That's covered in the vid and the manual. You set it up in the app which parameters can be controlled. Not everything is assignable but speed is for sure. Then you'd finish the job using the host automation system to actually assign which cc controls what

Oh, mustn't have got to that bit in the vid yet! Cheers man.
When you say "cc controls" , does that mean there's not midi learn per se?

Yes there is no midi learn inside the app itself

Bah. That's so annoying. Just want to be able to tweak things using an actual physical knob....so few apps have midi learn

Gavinski

@Kashi said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:
Does this have midi learn? Just watching Gav’s video. Love the idea of using a knob on an external controller to play around with the “free timing” mode.
@Gavinski

That's covered in the vid and the manual. You set it up in the app which parameters can be controlled. Not everything is assignable but speed is for sure. Then you'd finish the job using the host automation system to actually assign which cc controls what

Oh, mustn't have got to that bit in the vid yet! Cheers man.
When you say "cc controls" , does that mean there's not midi learn per se?

Yes there is no midi learn inside the app itself

Bah. That's so annoying. Just want to be able to tweak things using an actual physical knob....so few apps have midi learn

But you still can! Use AUM's midi learn system, very easy

Kashi

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:
Does this have midi learn? Just watching Gav’s video. Love the idea of using a knob on an external controller to play around with the “free timing” mode.
@Gavinski

That's covered in the vid and the manual. You set it up in the app which parameters can be controlled. Not everything is assignable but speed is for sure. Then you'd finish the job using the host automation system to actually assign which cc controls what

Oh, mustn't have got to that bit in the vid yet! Cheers man.
When you say "cc controls" , does that mean there's not midi learn per se?

Yes there is no midi learn inside the app itself

Bah. That's so annoying. Just want to be able to tweak things using an actual physical knob....so few apps have midi learn

But you still can! Use AUM's midi learn system, very easy

Oh cool. Is that explained in your "Everything you ever wanted to know about AUM but were afraid to ask" vid?

Gavinski

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:
Does this have midi learn? Just watching Gav’s video. Love the idea of using a knob on an external controller to play around with the “free timing” mode.
@Gavinski

That's covered in the vid and the manual. You set it up in the app which parameters can be controlled. Not everything is assignable but speed is for sure. Then you'd finish the job using the host automation system to actually assign which cc controls what

Oh, mustn't have got to that bit in the vid yet! Cheers man.
When you say "cc controls" , does that mean there's not midi learn per se?

Yes there is no midi learn inside the app itself

Bah. That's so annoying. Just want to be able to tweak things using an actual physical knob....so few apps have midi learn

But you still can! Use AUM's midi learn system, very easy

Just search the AUM manual for 'midi learn' if unsure how to set it up, easy peasy!

Gavinski

@Kashi said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:
Does this have midi learn? Just watching Gav’s video. Love the idea of using a knob on an external controller to play around with the “free timing” mode.
@Gavinski

That's covered in the vid and the manual. You set it up in the app which parameters can be controlled. Not everything is assignable but speed is for sure. Then you'd finish the job using the host automation system to actually assign which cc controls what

Oh, mustn't have got to that bit in the vid yet! Cheers man.
When you say "cc controls" , does that mean there's not midi learn per se?

Yes there is no midi learn inside the app itself

Bah. That's so annoying. Just want to be able to tweak things using an actual physical knob....so few apps have midi learn

But you still can! Use AUM's midi learn system, very easy

Oh cool. Is that explained in your "Everything you ever wanted to know about AUM but were afraid to ask" vid?

Can't remember tbh, not sure AUM had that feature then

Gavinski

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:

@Gavinski said:

@Kashi said:
Does this have midi learn? Just watching Gav’s video. Love the idea of using a knob on an external controller to play around with the “free timing” mode.
@Gavinski

That's covered in the vid and the manual. You set it up in the app which parameters can be controlled. Not everything is assignable but speed is for sure. Then you'd finish the job using the host automation system to actually assign which cc controls what

Oh, mustn't have got to that bit in the vid yet! Cheers man.
When you say "cc controls" , does that mean there's not midi learn per se?

Yes there is no midi learn inside the app itself

Bah. That's so annoying. Just want to be able to tweak things using an actual physical knob....so few apps have midi learn

But you still can! Use AUM's midi learn system, very easy

Oh cool. Is that explained in your "Everything you ever wanted to know about AUM but were afraid to ask" vid?

Can't remember tbh, not sure AUM had that feature then

But yeah, in the manual for sure and easy to do

Kashi

@Gavinski Thanks Gav, you're a star

oldsynthguy

Is there any way to record, or export MIDI generated from this app?

Looks great, but without a bundle deal or dual Mac integration, I’m struggling to justify adding yet another sequencer to my already massive existing collection!

Recording MIDI in say, Logic Pro or Atom (via AUM) might tempt me off the fence.