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6/8 time in AUM?
I’m creating MIDI tracks with Atom2 in AUM. Atom2 has no problem specifying a 6/8 time signature, but AUM only allows setting beats per measure, assuming quarter notes (the note mapping to one beat can’t be changed). Tempo for 6/8 is usually specified for a dotted quarter note yielding 2 beats per measure. No matter how I try to fudge it, I’m finding it impossible to get the tempo in AUM to align with 2 beats per measure. Am I missing something or is this just not possible?
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Have you tried 3/4?
You want 3/4, not 2/4.
Yup. That gives me 3 beats per measure. @wim - I did try 2/4 at one point, but I just realized I’m getting 3 beats per measure no matter what time signature I specify in AUM. 5/4, 6/4, 7/4…
I’m thinking that if I want a click I’m going to have to just create my own click track.
I don't think I understand. Are you talking about AUM's metronome or something else? Changing the number of beats per measure definitely updates the number of beats per measure for the metronome.
Are you perhaps talking about number of beats per bar in Atom 2? The two time signatures are independent. You can't update the number of beats per bar in Atom 2 by adjusting AUM's time signature. If you set Atom to 5/4, 5/8, etc, then you need to set AUM's metronome to 5/4.
I have requested in many AUM threads the need for /8 time sig option ,
as 3/4 or 6/4 do not sync the same with bar counts to other apps or gear that do have 6/8 .
Makes AUM unusable for many of my musical intentions .
As I also mentioned recently , I had hoped AUM’s newly added clock dividers might solve the problem,
but my attempts were unsuccessful .
Whilst Zenbeats has its own issues (internal midi routing for me) , it does offer /8 time sigs .
/4 vs /8 is a convention to make reading easier. There is no reason why one can’t do exactly the same music by using the same tempo and beats per measure in all the apps you are synching. 6 / 8 means 6 beats per measure with 1/8th = 1 beat. 6/4 is also 6 beats per measure but with 1 beat written ad a quarter. There are sometimes implications about feel for the person reading the music. But those are conventions of notation.
@espiegel123 as I said , it affects the bar count when trying to sync with other apps or gear ,
so four bars in one app is not four bars in another ,
this makes it problematic .
You can set all the apps to the same time signature. I.e. use 3/4 or 6/4 in all the apps and adjust the tempo accordingly
@espiegel123 maybe if I had explained my process more fully,
that my songs start in either hardware sequencers or Ableton in /4,/8 or /16
& my use of IOS is to import existing midi ideas to further explore & play around for mobile use ,
so I’m not going to change an existing song in 6/8 just to accomodate the failings of a single app .
(edit for clarity)
You can add to the AUM feature requests on the Discord server https://discord.gg/DgtjzDJ9mP
There are implications for other apps, especially drum apps. In Jamp Percussive to host in Loopy or AUM, in so called "6/8 a pattern can only have 6 steps to sync cirrectly, whicih is very limiting. In Lumbeat apps you have to use 1/2 speed setting, which does not stay on constantly when loading or switching patterns, and the fills sound ridiculous.
It would have been nice if both AUM and Loopy could have done this correctly. It always seem in iOS land that there is some niggle in getting things to play well together.
Yes. No matter what time signature I use in AUM, it’s generating 3 beats per measure in Atom2. It’s like I have a polymeter going on. The length of the “measure” in AUM varies as I change the time signature, the tempo remaining constant. This makes perfect sense. Atom2 follows that tempo, but the beats remain constant at 3 per bar in Atom2.
What convinces me I’m dead in the water on this is that tempo (and therefore any click/metronome) for 6/8 is usually expressed as beats per dotted quarter note. Thus what I want is TWO audible beats per measure. I can’t figure any way to achieve that with 6 beats per measure (whether quarter or eighth notes) in Atom2. One click per actual beat in either 3/4 or 6/8 (or 12/8 for that matter) sounds like a machine gun. You want to click on the pulse not the beat.
Note that I can get 6 beats per measure if I change the time signature in Atom2 to 6/4, but as explained above, that’s not what I’m after.
@SteveS - Well, yeah, there's no connection whatsoever between the beats per measure in Atom 2 and the beats per measure in AUM (or any host). If that's what you're after then you are definitely are out of luck and would need to build your own click track.
You could do that right in a single instance of Atom 2 using notes on a different channel, or use a separate instance if that's less confusing.
There are also a couple of suitable dedicated metronome AUv3's.
Fwiw, you can use the free Tick AUv3 metronome to accomplish what you want. You can turn beats on and off to have the pulse you want.
There's also this one https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/65246/jamp-clickstation-by-jan-maes-released.
I haven't tried it yet. It looks like it's free to try with $1.99 IAP for activation.
Thanks! That looks really interesting.
Thanks. I’ll look at that.
Color me stupid, but I found a solution. Set Atom2 to 6/8. Set AUM’s time signature to 2/4.
Then…set the tempo multiplier in Atom2 to 1.5X.
Voilá
I’m getting two clicks per measure!
Considering I use the tempo multiplier all the time on “control” channels (an instance of Atom2 that only exists to send launch CCs to other Atom2 nodes) I’m surprised I didn’t think of this sooner…
I don't think I would ever have thought of it. 😎
It’s an easily overlooked feature.