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Help me find a sequencer to drive an external 303?
I’m looking for a good sequencer to change and manipulate patterns for a piece of hardware; MAM-MB33, 303 box.
I have tried roseta and atom 2, but I kind of want to compose melodies that fit with songs and multiple patterns. I tried to solve it with a keystep pro, but I found it to fiddely with note length, and consistency of length of notes at the time. Those are nice with roseta but I find it unbearable when composing longer patterns of melodies i have in my head, or when composing multiple patterns.
I have no experience with Egoist, do you think it would be nice to compose parts of songs with? I’m planning to play with my friend
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It is free to download and use.
I think the free mode won't "save" or do Auv3. That is the in app purchase.
Give it a run!
I tried Egoist, it’s a really cool (and easy to use) but I feel it is to touch and go for me for jam session.
I would like to either use keys to decide the note, or something with bigger step sliders that has multiple patterns or
Out of all the sequencers on iOS there must be something..
Troublemaker is tempting, but doesn’t do pattern switching well?
Optimally if I could decide the note with keys and have them automatically or easily shortened down to standard 303 sounds if I want would be the best of both worlds. It would be worth it using a combination of apps to do.
Any ideas? @Gavinski @wim @Samu
What didn’t you like about Atom2?
Rozetta Bassline?
Strokes?
You know what @espiegel123 , why are you always right?
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With keys I can do something with it and edit from touch screen is pretty elegant. I Just got to learn cycling layers.
@deadpoetlive hiii. Damn that thing looks nice but maybe overkill for just a 303?
@Samu for some reason I cant do too much with Rozetta. I make some melodies with it
If there are any more sequencers you know of —>That you would love to use with a Hardware 303 please share (:
Octachron is super dope, and cheap. Good for sequencing drums and bass. I think the last update added gate length control?
Koala is a great sequencer as well.
Not sure tbh, why not Atom2?
It’s a bit aged.. but still a beauty..
Maybe a combination of Atom2 and Rozeta Bassline? Record stuff you like into Atom2, then rearrange and edit it there
didn’t know about octachron! Im interested, I guess the only way to select midi notes is sliding pitch from the bottom meny?
I think Atom 2 still comes up on top for playing and capturing melodies.
@Gavinski I changed my mind about atom ^^
If you have any more suggs bring them
Pure Acid maybe?
It's no good for "playing and capturing" melodies, but my go-to for acid style 303 bass lines is Neon Sequencer. It's a really different way to work. It's a little hard to describe, but you start with an 8 step "slider" style sequencer for the notes, but then you can add modifiers that trigger at various timings as you like. There are modifiers for everything: gate, ratchet, octave, transpose, skip, pulse count, order ... you name it. You set those up in sequences that can either match the timing of the notes sequence, or run at any timing or order you like.
But, if I was to try on my own to work in the way you describe, I'd use Loopy 2.0's midi clips to capture the melodies, then run that through either the Ranbo Mozaic script to dial in some variety or some of Waymaker's sequencers to add some variation such as octave shifts, randomization, added 5ths or other intervals, ratchets, etc.. Waymaker is a fantastic playground of sequencing tools. Not the easiest to understand without watching the developer's YouTube videos, but great once you do.
Octachron is really good, and fast to set up sequences. You would just set up the rows from a scale preset (or customize one) and then poke in where you want the notes to play, like a drum sequencer. The bottom menu is for velocity, probability, etc. not notes. You can't play in to Octachron to capture a melody though. It's strictly a sequencer.
If you want a sequencer that can do it all - Prism.
I can't exactly say I recommend it because I just about gave up on it entirely before I finally started to make sense of it. It would cover what you want plus tons and tons more.
I'm only throwing all these things out there because you asked to keep the ideas coming. I think you have a good solution in Atom 2 already.
... but ... uh ... why not Drambo?? You been working with it a lot lately, and it's probably the best damn sequencer I can think of for what you describe. 🤷🏼♂️
Exactly what I was thinking. It has midi out & it’s a very well regarded 303 emulator. Have you tried this one?
Thanks for all the suggs! (:
@ y’all
Yea ofc I has tried Pure Acid! Im looking for something for a hardware though, to fidgety.
@wim funny you said that I just saved Neon sequencer on youtube that second! Yes this one is to cool to pass by, but it is for random psychedelic shit. It must be used but later.
Prism sounds too hard hehe.
-Yea why the hell don’t I use Drambo naked.
How do I send midi out to the soundcard? Wait, just add a MIDI out module?
yup. or use the track settings to set its output. I like the module though because you can see it.
oh, and set the track mute style to midi.
Gotta put in a good word for Cykle and Neon, but for me I’ll always go back to Rozeta Bassline. Good randomization, good and musical mutation, easy to visualize and program. But most of all, for me it just feels like a sequencer that was built from the ground up specifically for 303’s. So it sounds 303-ish in a way other sequencers don’t. Half the charm of a vintage 303 is in the very constrained synh engine, but half of it is the very constrained sequencer. Same reason why (in my opinion) playing a 303 with a keyboard never sounds right.
@mjm1138 yea, I tried sometimes with a keystep but couldent get note length right.
I think with ATOM 2 I can set the snap to grid to 1/32 and figure it out
The MAM MB33 sounds beautiful and can afford to be played a little musically. Dang you are right though. I’m going to have to use Rozeta Bassline aswell.
I have melodies with slides in my head though, it’s those I am going to make. I don’t like when I just end up with something (:
You don’t have to use the randomness in RB. You can absolutely hand program notes, accents and slides. More easily than a lot of step sequencers really.
@mjm1138 let’s go
I still think there are optimization possibilities in the realm of 303 bassline sequencers. I will see how I feel after Speeding up Drambo with longer lines, and I will definitely try Rozeta Bassline again. Switching patterns is easier to deal with if you have only one Hardware synth witch is my case these days.
@wim How do you put accents (127) in Drambo? Like in the Ducking thread, without having to press too many buttons and dial back and forth? Doyouknow? (:
I'd just keep the parameters screen open to VEL and swipe up on the faders, I guess. That's quick enough for my purposes.
Korg gadget is quick and dirty way to throw together an idea into midi, the loops and timeline settings are flexible and pretty intuitive once you get a handle on it. It also has velocity and midi CC automation if you need it too.
Not sure how reliable this would be in a live setting but it’s worked great for me to set up projects from scratch without a bunch of obstacles or CPU issues/latency/etc
There’s a dedicated midi gadget you can use. But usually I play around with riffs and patterns in one of their drum machines or the Chicago bassline gadget first and then change that gadget to the midi controller after I have something to work with.
I find that The copy/paste, repeat/loop functions, and overall flexibility is pretty easy to work with and doesn’t impede too much on creativity when I’m in the flow
I have an old FB383 303 clone from the 90s. It’s a 1U rack which was one of the cheaper 303 clones at the time. I still use it sometimes, usually putting it through an SE70 for extra hiss and grit.
I sequence it using Logic, just as I did when it was brand new and Logic was MIDI only.