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SOLVED Patterning cloud drum kits - what is the copyright situation?

catherdercatherder
edited April 28 in General App Discussion

I am wondering what the copyright situation with regards to the cloud drum kits in Patterning 2 and 3 is. My concern is not about my own shared kits, but what if I use a downloaded kit in my own music and publish the track? I neither want to violate someone’s artistic rights, nor do I want to fall prey to some copyright troll.

Comments

  • pedropedro

    Don’t get me wrong, but unless your song makes a lot of money, you’re good.

  • UrbanNinjaUrbanNinja

    Didn't know Patterning sucks that way.

  • UrbanNinjaUrbanNinja

    @pedro said:
    Don’t get me wrong, but unless your song makes a lot of money, you’re good.

    Sure, but how do you know the future?
    You put a lot of work via the app, put something out -wow it succeeded- and the HAMMER FALLS.

  • wimwim
    edited April 27

    Copyright strikes can happen and are a pain in the ass whether you're making money or not.

    (I Love the mixture of pessimism and optimism behind the concern!)

  • catherdercatherder

    @benkamen can you shed some light on this question ?

  • KrupaKrupa

    When you upload one, you’re required to state that you own the copyright and are handing it over for free use. I guess you’re relying on that being an honest declaration. I’m sure mine are fine as I made them from sounds that I captured from devices I built from scratch. Well, at a component level, I didn’t go melting sand to make the glass tubes or mine any copper or anything truly authentic like that😅

  • FordTimeLordFordTimeLord

    @catherder said:
    @benkamen can you shed some light on this question ?

    The manual touches on it briefly. It says they are royalty free and ok to use in creative projects:

  • catherdercatherder

    @FordTimeLord said:

    @catherder said:
    @benkamen can you shed some light on this question ?

    The manual touches on it briefly. It says they are royalty free and ok to use in creative projects:

    Thanks, that answers my question.

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited April 28

    @UrbanNinja said:

    @pedro said:
    Don’t get me wrong, but unless your song makes a lot of money, you’re good.

    Sure, but how do you know the future?
    You put a lot of work via the app, put something out -wow it succeeded- and the HAMMER FALLS.

    I like the positive thinking, but to be blunt no one who isn't already extraordinarily famous is getting rich on music sales.

  • deadpoetlivedeadpoetlive

    @NeuM said:

    @UrbanNinja said:

    @pedro said:
    Don’t get me wrong, but unless your song makes a lot of money, you’re good.

    Sure, but how do you know the future?
    You put a lot of work via the app, put something out -wow it succeeded- and the HAMMER FALLS.

    I like the positive thinking, but to be blunt no one who isn't already extraordinarily famous is getting rich on music sales.

    Might not be getting rich but a viral hit on you tube might mean all advertising revenue going to someone else. A million views is a fair chunk of change and is within the realms of possibility, one of mine only needs another 999,943 views sooooooo... ;-)

  • benkamenbenkamen

    Yes, they are free to use in creative projects, e.g. songs, tracks. You can't repackage the samples to re-sell or re-distribute them. The legal obligation is on the uploader of the samples to verify that they own the samples. If it's discovered that samples were uploaded illegally, I will remove them immediately from the cloud. That is why there is a "report" button on each kit, to let me know if a set of samples is illegally uploaded so I can remove them. No one has ever reported a kit to be uploaded illegally, though people often click on the report button and then send me blank emails :p

    I did hire a lawyer to write the EULA for cloud kit uploading.

    That said, if you are truly concerned about this, you should get a lawyer of your own to review the contract.

  • benkamenbenkamen

    @UrbanNinja said:
    Didn't know Patterning sucks that way.

    Patterning doesn't suck! :D

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited April 28

    @deadpoetlive said:

    @NeuM said:

    @UrbanNinja said:

    @pedro said:
    Don’t get me wrong, but unless your song makes a lot of money, you’re good.

    Sure, but how do you know the future?
    You put a lot of work via the app, put something out -wow it succeeded- and the HAMMER FALLS.

    I like the positive thinking, but to be blunt no one who isn't already extraordinarily famous is getting rich on music sales.

    Might not be getting rich but a viral hit on you tube might mean all advertising revenue going to someone else. A million views is a fair chunk of change and is within the realms of possibility, one of mine only needs another 999,943 views sooooooo... ;-)

    Know what percentage of all music videos on YouTube hit 1 million views or more? According to Grok 3's "DeepSearch" algorithm: 5%.

    So it would be exceedingly rare to see anyone make a significant amount of money on YouTube by posting their music.

  • benkamenbenkamen

    @NeuM said:

    @deadpoetlive said:

    @NeuM said:

    @UrbanNinja said:

    @pedro said:
    Don’t get me wrong, but unless your song makes a lot of money, you’re good.

    Sure, but how do you know the future?
    You put a lot of work via the app, put something out -wow it succeeded- and the HAMMER FALLS.

    I like the positive thinking, but to be blunt no one who isn't already extraordinarily famous is getting rich on music sales.

    Might not be getting rich but a viral hit on you tube might mean all advertising revenue going to someone else. A million views is a fair chunk of change and is within the realms of possibility, one of mine only needs another 999,943 views sooooooo... ;-)

    Know what percentage of all music videos on YouTube hit 1 million views or more? According to Grok 3's "DeepSearch" algorithm: 5%.

    So it would be exceedingly rare to see anyone make a significant amount of money on YouTube by posting their music.

    5% is way more than I expected. Is that right?

  • catherdercatherder

    @benkamen said:
    Yes, they are free to use in creative projects, e.g. songs, tracks. You can't repackage the samples to re-sell or re-distribute them. The legal obligation is on the uploader of the samples to verify that they own the samples. If it's discovered that samples were uploaded illegally, I will remove them immediately from the cloud. That is why there is a "report" button on each kit, to let me know if a set of samples is illegally uploaded so I can remove them. No one has ever reported a kit to be uploaded illegally, though people often click on the report button and then send me blank emails :p

    I did hire a lawyer to write the EULA for cloud kit uploading.

    That said, if you are truly concerned about this, you should get a lawyer of your own to review the contract.

    @benkamen thanks for the clarification. That's clear. My main concern came from personal experience with two of my clients whom I had to help as a technical adviser to defend themselves against copyright trolls. This was about pictures, not music.

  • SlushSlush

    @NeuM said:

    @UrbanNinja said:

    @pedro said:
    Don’t get me wrong, but unless your song makes a lot of money, you’re good.

    Sure, but how do you know the future?
    You put a lot of work via the app, put something out -wow it succeeded- and the HAMMER FALLS.

    I like the positive thinking, but to be blunt no one who isn't already extraordinarily famous is getting rich on music sales.

    Well, I recently sold a track for 99 cents.

  • 128BPM128BPM

    But - potential copyright issues could be a problem even long before a potential income.

    If You are in a position or lucky enough to license a track to a game, a TV show, or you are negotiating a publishing deal, the use of unsecured samples could be a dealbreaker long before the track or music would reach the public.
    These type of companies have watertight legal power, and they won’t take a chance.

    It is not about “selling lots of records to make a lot of money” - there is a rather big part of the music business that goes under the radar. It is possible to make an income in many ways.

    I’ve been there: Once had to change the whole programmed rhythm section of a mastered track I had the chance to license. There were no “sampling” involved, but I couldn’t guarantee the source of the drumsounds. It was no fun to redo everything and the track lost some of its DNA

    I’m not saying that the Patterning sounds are dangerous to use - not at all - but my point is that succes and sales isn’t black and white and that you never know what will happen 🤩

  • NeuMNeuM

    @Slush said:

    @NeuM said:

    @UrbanNinja said:

    @pedro said:
    Don’t get me wrong, but unless your song makes a lot of money, you’re good.

    Sure, but how do you know the future?
    You put a lot of work via the app, put something out -wow it succeeded- and the HAMMER FALLS.

    I like the positive thinking, but to be blunt no one who isn't already extraordinarily famous is getting rich on music sales.

    Well, I recently sold a track for 99 cents.

    You're on your way!

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited April 28

    @benkamen said:

    @NeuM said:

    @deadpoetlive said:

    @NeuM said:

    @UrbanNinja said:

    @pedro said:
    Don’t get me wrong, but unless your song makes a lot of money, you’re good.

    Sure, but how do you know the future?
    You put a lot of work via the app, put something out -wow it succeeded- and the HAMMER FALLS.

    I like the positive thinking, but to be blunt no one who isn't already extraordinarily famous is getting rich on music sales.

    Might not be getting rich but a viral hit on you tube might mean all advertising revenue going to someone else. A million views is a fair chunk of change and is within the realms of possibility, one of mine only needs another 999,943 views sooooooo... ;-)

    Know what percentage of all music videos on YouTube hit 1 million views or more? According to Grok 3's "DeepSearch" algorithm: 5%.

    So it would be exceedingly rare to see anyone make a significant amount of money on YouTube by posting their music.

    5% is way more than I expected. Is that right?

    It was an "educated guess" by the A.I. based on all available information:

    Key Points

    • Research suggests around 5% of music videos on YouTube hit 1 million views or higher, though exact figures are hard to pin down.
    • The evidence leans toward music videos having a higher likelihood of high view counts compared to other content, due to promotion and popularity.
    • There is some controversy over how YouTube categorizes and reports music video data, affecting precise estimates.

    Background
    YouTube is a vast platform with billions of videos, and music videos are a significant portion, often among the most viewed due to their promotional efforts and wide appeal. Determining the exact percentage that reach 1 million views involves analyzing total music video counts and their view distributions, which can be complex given the platform's scale and evolving content.

    Estimation Process
    Given the lack of direct data, estimates are based on general YouTube statistics and the nature of music videos. For all videos, it's estimated that about 0.33% achieve over 1 million views, but for music videos, this percentage seems likely to be higher, potentially around 5%, due to their targeted promotion and audience engagement.

    Final Estimate
    It seems likely that approximately 5% of all music videos on YouTube hit 1 million views or higher, based on the available research and the understanding that music videos are more likely to garner high views compared to other content types.

  • UprightmusicUprightmusic
    edited April 28

    Has there ever been a copyright claim on a drum sound? That would be new to me. I could see a possibility with something like the Amen break but Patterning is using one shots played with your own personal pattern. I’d be really shocked if it were possible to claim a copyright on an individual drum sound….but stranger things have happened I guess.

  • 128BPM128BPM

    Probably not 🤗

  • deadpoetlivedeadpoetlive

    @NeuM said:

    @deadpoetlive said:

    @NeuM said:

    @UrbanNinja said:

    @pedro said:
    Don’t get me wrong, but unless your song makes a lot of money, you’re good.

    Sure, but how do you know the future?
    You put a lot of work via the app, put something out -wow it succeeded- and the HAMMER FALLS.

    I like the positive thinking, but to be blunt no one who isn't already extraordinarily famous is getting rich on music sales.

    Might not be getting rich but a viral hit on you tube might mean all advertising revenue going to someone else. A million views is a fair chunk of change and is within the realms of possibility, one of mine only needs another 999,943 views sooooooo... ;-)

    Know what percentage of all music videos on YouTube hit 1 million views or more? According to Grok 3's "DeepSearch" algorithm: 5%.

    So it would be exceedingly rare to see anyone make a significant amount of money on YouTube by posting their music.

    X Grok told me 0.33% of all videos reach 1 million views, couldn't answer what percentage were music videos but suggested it was higher. Grok doesn't half talk S%$£ at times. Even 1 in 300 getting a million views (1in 20 in your case) sounds like complete twaddle to me, both figures would be far from a rarity. > @NeuM said:

    @benkamen said:

    @NeuM said:

    @deadpoetlive said:

    @NeuM said:

    @UrbanNinja said:

    @pedro said:
    Don’t get me wrong, but unless your song makes a lot of money, you’re good.

    Sure, but how do you know the future?
    You put a lot of work via the app, put something out -wow it succeeded- and the HAMMER FALLS.

    I like the positive thinking, but to be blunt no one who isn't already extraordinarily famous is getting rich on music sales.

    Might not be getting rich but a viral hit on you tube might mean all advertising revenue going to someone else. A million views is a fair chunk of change and is within the realms of possibility, one of mine only needs another 999,943 views sooooooo... ;-)

    Know what percentage of all music videos on YouTube hit 1 million views or more? According to Grok 3's "DeepSearch" algorithm: 5%.

    So it would be exceedingly rare to see anyone make a significant amount of money on YouTube by posting their music.

    5% is way more than I expected. Is that right?

    It was an "educated guess" by the A.I. based on all available information:

    Key Points

    • Research suggests around 5% of music videos on YouTube hit 1 million views or higher, though exact figures are hard to pin down.
    • The evidence leans toward music videos having a higher likelihood of high view counts compared to other content, due to promotion and popularity.
    • There is some controversy over how YouTube categorizes and reports music video data, affecting precise estimates.

    Background
    YouTube is a vast platform with billions of videos, and music videos are a significant portion, often among the most viewed due to their promotional efforts and wide appeal. Determining the exact percentage that reach 1 million views involves analyzing total music video counts and their view distributions, which can be complex given the platform's scale and evolving content.

    Estimation Process
    Given the lack of direct data, estimates are based on general YouTube statistics and the nature of music videos. For all videos, it's estimated that about 0.33% achieve over 1 million views, but for music videos, this percentage seems likely to be higher, potentially around 5%, due to their targeted promotion and audience engagement.

    Final Estimate
    It seems likely that approximately 5% of all music videos on YouTube hit 1 million views or higher, based on the available research and the understanding that music videos are more likely to garner high views compared to other content types.

    Only goes to show how clueless AI can be. ;-) 1 in 20 music uploads reach a million views, maybe for signed artists, otherwise, not a chance.

  • CamblerCambler

    @Uprightmusic said:
    Has there ever been a copyright claim on a drum sound? That would be new to me. I could see a possibility with something like the Amen break but Patterning is using one shots played with your own personal pattern. I’d be really shocked if it were possible to claim a copyright on an individual drum sound….but stranger things have happened I guess.

    Yes, on the recording but not on the composition (seeing as it’s a single sound). Same goes for the Amen Break as far as I understand it. Drum compositions are not copyrightable however the recording of them is.

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