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Crazed rant due to iOS music making apps

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    @wim said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:
    I guess I'm different than most folks. iOS issues almost never get me down. To me they're all in perspective with the rest of life. I've never understood why people have such drastically less tolerance for computer issues than other aspects of life. A few extra mouse clicks here or there, a less than optimal interface, a bit of difficulty transferring files between applications become such a huge frustration. An app that requires any time investment to learn is too intimidating or frustrating to bother with. Why is all this perfectionism and anxiety triggered just because something runs on an electronic device?

    Life is constantly filled with routine things that are far, far worse, and we don't give them a second thought!

    Take just about anything you do and think of the comparative complexity and problems of it. I mean, start with something routine like getting dressed in the morning. How many steps are involved just in that chore? Then there's putting the clothes away, cleaning them, matching them, shopping for them, earning the money to pay for them, replacing them when they wear out...

    Or, preparing a meal. Driving to work Taking a shower. Taking a crap. Making a coffee. Riding a bike. Dealing with a head cold. Brushing your teeth ... the shallowest surface analysis of any of these is far more complex and problem prone than the most convoluted iOS tasks. Why, because it runs on an electronic device are the comparatively small difficulties so drastically magnified? Why does it destroy our "creative groove" whenever we run into a little hiccup.

    And in a musical context, why, why, why do we expect that to be easy???? Until now when has it ever been easy to make music? When has it been uncomplicated to play any instrument? I don't get frustrated that I have to tune my guitar, change the strings, practice scales, plug it into something, etc, etc. I don't get frustrated that I suck at playing keyboards, I get satisfaction at seeing myself get better at it.

    Sorry, I don't mean any of this to be preachy. I just have a thing that helps me not to experience the frustration I see so many people suffering from centered around computing devices and thought it might help someone.

    Because sometimes, when you’re having a really, really shitty life - and you’ve had a really, really bad week, and have been looking forward to spending the few quid you have spare on a new musical app you’ve been reading about, on Saturday night....and it doesn’t work properly....and you spend Saturday night instead trying to get it to work....it’s the straw that breaks the camels back.

    Sure, in context you could say that about any outlet. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the relative stress induced by difficulties with iOS apps in general. Put into context with the rest of my life, I find iOS music making to just be a ball of fun and the least of my worries. ymmv. ;)

    Anyway, 'nuff said. I realize what I offered as food for thought is either going to irritate or help people. -peace

    I’m not irritated, just responding to your comment “Why is all this perfectionism and anxiety triggered just because something runs on an electronic device?”

    Generally people are very happy with their iOS music making lot, I certainly am - this is the best time ever for electronic music making. I love being able to pick up an iPad and get a jam going within minutes, something that sounds like a Tim Blake album but doesn’t require a truck to transport the kit.

    I think when it becomes an irritation, is when it coincides with other crappy stuff, that makes it seem much, much worse.

    So when I see someone on here complaining and moaning about an app not working - and lets face it, it’s usually me - l try and be kind and empathise with them. Calling them out for being negative (one member actually recommended I get psychiatric help to cope with my ‘negativity’), or repeating the old ‘cup of coffee’ price comparison just makes them feel worse. Maybe they’ve spent their last £3 on that app. Maybe their cat died this morning and Elasticdrums repeatedly crashing out of AUM feels like the end of the world that day.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:
    I guess I'm different than most folks. iOS issues almost never get me down. To me they're all in perspective with the rest of life. I've never understood why people have such drastically less tolerance for computer issues than other aspects of life. A few extra mouse clicks here or there, a less than optimal interface, a bit of difficulty transferring files between applications become such a huge frustration. An app that requires any time investment to learn is too intimidating or frustrating to bother with. Why is all this perfectionism and anxiety triggered just because something runs on an electronic device?

    Life is constantly filled with routine things that are far, far worse, and we don't give them a second thought!

    Take just about anything you do and think of the comparative complexity and problems of it. I mean, start with something routine like getting dressed in the morning. How many steps are involved just in that chore? Then there's putting the clothes away, cleaning them, matching them, shopping for them, earning the money to pay for them, replacing them when they wear out...

    Or, preparing a meal. Driving to work Taking a shower. Taking a crap. Making a coffee. Riding a bike. Dealing with a head cold. Brushing your teeth ... the shallowest surface analysis of any of these is far more complex and problem prone than the most convoluted iOS tasks. Why, because it runs on an electronic device are the comparatively small difficulties so drastically magnified? Why does it destroy our "creative groove" whenever we run into a little hiccup.

    And in a musical context, why, why, why do we expect that to be easy???? Until now when has it ever been easy to make music? When has it been uncomplicated to play any instrument? I don't get frustrated that I have to tune my guitar, change the strings, practice scales, plug it into something, etc, etc. I don't get frustrated that I suck at playing keyboards, I get satisfaction at seeing myself get better at it.

    Sorry, I don't mean any of this to be preachy. I just have a thing that helps me not to experience the frustration I see so many people suffering from centered around computing devices and thought it might help someone.

    Because sometimes, when you’re having a really, really shitty life - and you’ve had a really, really bad week, and have been looking forward to spending the few quid you have spare on a new musical app you’ve been reading about, on Saturday night....and it doesn’t work properly....and you spend Saturday night instead trying to get it to work....it’s the straw that breaks the camels back.

    Sure, in context you could say that about any outlet. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the relative stress induced by difficulties with iOS apps in general. Put into context with the rest of my life, I find iOS music making to just be a ball of fun and the least of my worries. ymmv. ;)

    Anyway, 'nuff said. I realize what I offered as food for thought is either going to irritate or help people. -peace

    I’m not irritated, just responding to your comment “Why is all this perfectionism and anxiety triggered just because something runs on an electronic device?”

    Generally people are very happy with their iOS music making lot, I certainly am - this is the best time ever for electronic music making. I love being able to pick up an iPad and get a jam going within minutes, something that sounds like a Tim Blake album but doesn’t require a truck to transport the kit.

    I think when it becomes an irritation, is when it coincides with other crappy stuff, that makes it seem much, much worse.

    So when I see someone on here complaining and moaning about an app not working - and lets face it, it’s usually me - l try and be kind and empathise with them. Calling them out for being negative (one member actually recommended I get psychiatric help to cope with my ‘negativity’), or repeating the old ‘cup of coffee’ price comparison just makes them feel worse. Maybe they’ve spent their last £3 on that app. Maybe their cat died this morning and Elasticdrums repeatedly crashing out of AUM feels like the end of the world that day.

    And just to add to @MonzoPro comment - having a quick moan on AB Forums might be the least restrictive approach to reducing whatever is making those life anxiety levels rise. As fellow travellers, it’s probably a more therapeutic response to just try to empathise with the situation. Most of us will hit that point some times in their lives. The ‘man up’ approach just does not work, so I can see what Monzo is saying.

    I’m not getting at what you said @wim , just agreeing that Monzo has an interesting and thought provoking perspective too :)

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    It has been interesting for myself to view so many passionate responses to my original post :)

    While I don’t always agree that some people’s suggestions are what I personally would find helpful and some just don’t into account the differing situations people are in, they are all valid and interesting responses.

    You guys ROCK.....and Jazz.....and Soul.....etc.......etc.... :D

  • wimwim
    edited September 2018

    Can’t y’all just kick the cat?

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @wim said:
    Can’t y’all just kick the cat?

    Nope. I have a dog and kicking animals is just wrong :s ;)

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  • wimwim

    I’m depriving my cat of coffee until I can afford a new guitar.

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    @Dawdles said:

    @wim said:
    I’m depriving my cat of coffee until I can afford a new guitar.

    False economy... give it non-stop coffee til it does something funny/cute enough for a viral video to fund the guitar ;)

    Fender use a caffeine loaded cat to make their (expensive) scratched up special editions!

  • cstep333cstep333

    @Rich303 said:

    @Dawdles said:
    @Rich303 said:

    This is why I stick with apps like Gadget and Electribe Wave. I use them only on their own. None of that Frankenstein shit with a combination of apps or AUs. It ain’t worth it for me. The simplicity of one app keeps me focused on what I intend to do with no trouble at all. Gone are the days of chasing down the next “game changer”. That shit’s all hype created by people with the lack of skills needed to work with what they already have. Less is more.

    So gadget and KEW were your gamechangers...everyones looking for different stuff, doesn't necessarily equate to a lack of skill, often wanting/needing something is primarily down to artistic/practical requirements/objectives etc. Which vary infinitely..

    I never said they were game changers. Nothing is really a game changer from what I’ve seen. It’s such an overused phrase that holds little meaning these days. But the thing about Gadget and KEW are that they just work without any complications or stability issues. There’s nothing worse than really getting into a groove and coming across something that stops you dead in your tracks. So I don’t bother with any of that on this platform. I’d rather use Reason and/or hardware where everything is more stable.

    I wish there was an upvote button for this.

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    @d4d0ug said:
    When iOS music gets me down I play my banjo. When my banjo gets me down I use my apps.

    My wife won’t let me have a banjo because of Deliverence :D

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  • TickletigerTickletiger

    @Multicellular said:
    I am disappoint of where mobile tech is now. Ten years ago, I was hoping I'd have implants by 2020.

    Who is even working on Humidi? (Human Musical Instrument Digital Interface).

    Need to turn the heat up. I want to be able to Bluetooth to the audience and have them sing backup for new songs they've never heard.

    This remains ‘state of the art’ regarding HUMIDI

  • chimp_spannerchimp_spanner
    edited September 2018

    In my own personal experience I've found the best way to avoid headaches is to just not try to do too much. The best results I get are when I just use my iPad like a piece of hardware. Like, writing a drum beat in DM1 and sampling it, or making some interesting textures with Musync or Borderlands and recording them into Reason's granular synth. As soon as I try to combine it all, it just falls apart. I can't even count the number of times I've sat down with my CCK and keyboard because I'm feeling inspired, and promptly have my inspiration smashed after spending hours trying to download audio from the web and use it in something, or dealing with apps not Linking, or not producing sound or even opening in a host. Or things not recording as they should. Or things crashing or silencing other apps. Or not sending/receiving MIDI properly. Or not state saving correctly. Apps drifting out of time, etc. etc. etc.

    For a platform that's often touted as an antidote to overly complicated desktop/laptop setups...it honestly feels like WAY more work. Switching between apps is clumsy. Sharing and exporting files is an inconsistent mess (with various apps supporting various combinations of Files, Dropbox, AudioShare, iTunes, local network servers).

    Now when I do have a good time it's when I just load up a single purpose app, like GR-16. And I just make a little groove or something. Admittedly I've yet to make anything approaching a full song but I'm kind of okay with that. I have (and love) the Korg Volcas and you can't really make full songs on those either, but they're great sampling fodder. So for me the iPad is a good idea starter, and a good sound source. But as a full music production platform I will always recommend a laptop and a good DAW. Reason 10 is like £200 now. My UR-44 was £120 second hand. And my laptop (i7 4th gen, 12GB) goes for about £400 on eBay, plus however much an SSD upgrade costs. Still looking at way less than an iPad Pro, and so much easier to use.

  • kinkujinkinkujin

    This discussion has been the real game changer for me. Cats, coffee, volcas ... I do love this place.

  • stormbeatsstormbeats

    @Rich303 said:
    This is why I stick with apps like Gadget and Electribe Wave. I use them only on their own. None of that Frankenstein shit with a combination of apps or AUs. It ain’t worth it for me. The simplicity of one app keeps me focused on what I intend to do with no trouble at all. Gone are the days of chasing down the next “game changer”. That shit’s all hype created by people with the lack of skills needed to work with what they already have. Less is more.

    Very well said And I agree 100%

  • AudioGusAudioGus
    edited September 2018

    @Dawdles said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:
    I guess I'm different than most folks. iOS issues almost never get me down. To me they're all in perspective with the rest of life. I've never understood why people have such drastically less tolerance for computer issues than other aspects of life. A few extra mouse clicks here or there, a less than optimal interface, a bit of difficulty transferring files between applications become such a huge frustration. An app that requires any time investment to learn is too intimidating or frustrating to bother with. Why is all this perfectionism and anxiety triggered just because something runs on an electronic device?

    Life is constantly filled with routine things that are far, far worse, and we don't give them a second thought!

    Take just about anything you do and think of the comparative complexity and problems of it. I mean, start with something routine like getting dressed in the morning. How many steps are involved just in that chore? Then there's putting the clothes away, cleaning them, matching them, shopping for them, earning the money to pay for them, replacing them when they wear out...

    Or, preparing a meal. Driving to work Taking a shower. Taking a crap. Making a coffee. Riding a bike. Dealing with a head cold. Brushing your teeth ... the shallowest surface analysis of any of these is far more complex and problem prone than the most convoluted iOS tasks. Why, because it runs on an electronic device are the comparatively small difficulties so drastically magnified? Why does it destroy our "creative groove" whenever we run into a little hiccup.

    And in a musical context, why, why, why do we expect that to be easy???? Until now when has it ever been easy to make music? When has it been uncomplicated to play any instrument? I don't get frustrated that I have to tune my guitar, change the strings, practice scales, plug it into something, etc, etc. I don't get frustrated that I suck at playing keyboards, I get satisfaction at seeing myself get better at it.

    Sorry, I don't mean any of this to be preachy. I just have a thing that helps me not to experience the frustration I see so many people suffering from centered around computing devices and thought it might help someone.

    Because sometimes, when you’re having a really, really shitty life - and you’ve had a really, really bad week, and have been looking forward to spending the few quid you have spare on a new musical app you’ve been reading about, on Saturday night....and it doesn’t work properly....and you spend Saturday night instead trying to get it to work....it’s the straw that breaks the camels back.

    Sure, in context you could say that about any outlet. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the relative stress induced by difficulties with iOS apps in general. Put into context with the rest of my life, I find iOS music making to just be a ball of fun and the least of my worries. ymmv. ;)

    Anyway, 'nuff said. I realize what I offered as food for thought is either going to irritate or help people. -peace

    I’m not irritated, just responding to your comment “Why is all this perfectionism and anxiety triggered just because something runs on an electronic device?”

    Generally people are very happy with their iOS music making lot, I certainly am - this is the best time ever for electronic music making. I love being able to pick up an iPad and get a jam going within minutes, something that sounds like a Tim Blake album but doesn’t require a truck to transport the kit.

    I think when it becomes an irritation, is when it coincides with other crappy stuff, that makes it seem much, much worse.

    So when I see someone on here complaining and moaning about an app not working - and lets face it, it’s usually me - l try and be kind and empathise with them. Calling them out for being negative (one member actually recommended I get psychiatric help to cope with my ‘negativity’), or repeating the old ‘cup of coffee’ price comparison just makes them feel worse. Maybe they’ve spent their last £3 on that app. Maybe their cat died this morning and Elasticdrums repeatedly crashing out of AUM feels like the end of the world that day.

    Haha the cup of coffee thing drives me insane! Might as well say 'I'll just have one less coffee every day for the year and buy a Moog Grandmother'! Nothing wrong with that, good idea in fact! But it's a nonsense way of weighing up something's worth/usefulness/attraction - just because it's possible to juggle other expediture to own something else, doesn't subsequently mean it's the right move for everyone ;)

    What bugs me is that when people say ‘a cup of coffee’ they are likely referring to the overpriced cardboard cup variety which I could never bring myself to purchase. I can buy bags of the stuff bulk for super cheap (pennies per cup) or just wait until I get to work where it is free. I tend to stick to pizza metaphors. If they gave away free apps at work, now damn that would be a perk.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2018

    @AudioGus said:
    What bugs me is that when people say ‘a cup of coffee’ they are likely referring to the overpriced cardboard cup variety which I could never bring myself to purchase. I can buy bags of the stuff bulk for super cheap (pennies per cup) or just wait until I get to work where it is free. I tend to stick to pizza metaphors. If they gave away free apps at work, now damn that would be a perk.

    You obviously don’t have a cat. Nothing less than a Grandé half-Cafe Moccachino, with Soy Milk and Extra Syrup (no whipped cream) will do for mine.

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    My quote from my session last night:

    ITS LIKE iOS 8 ALL OVER AGAIN

  • shiftsynth1shiftsynth1

    I had a dream last night where I was frustrated with IOS so I put it down and went to play with my Korg Volca Bass... I don't own a volca bass. I think I was channeling @Samu

  • SamuSamu

    @shiftsynth1 said:
    I had a dream last night where I was frustrated with IOS so I put it down and went to play with my Korg Volca Bass... I don't own a volca bass. I think I was channeling @Samu

    LOL, Both the Volca Bass and UNO Synth are 'gadgets' that can easily make one loose track of time ;)

  • LinearLinemanLinearLineman

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    I’ve got the Cigs and Caffeine, just give me the CAT!

  • CracklePotCracklePot

    So, just use GarageBand and all will be fine?
    Is that what I am getting from this topic?

    Personally, I am all about that Frankenstein shit.
    Now, go enjoy your two apps! :D

  • mindscapermindscaper

    @Slam_Cut said:

    @mindscaper said:
    My gut feeling is that nanostudio the second will satisfy even the most fussy iOS music maker

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Except that nano studio the second is vaporware to most of us.

    NS2 is most definitly NOT vaporware. Save your pennies - you will have a happy Christmas. Mindscaper is right.

    Damn right I’m right

    Can’t wait to see the threads that will take over this forum once it’s (finally) out

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    Yeah, when I get big ideas, and try to get everything set up, it never works out. There's always some 'timely' snag with some piece of the puzzle that holds up the whole thing.

    That's why I'm happy to plug away one track at a time like I've always done it, and usually with real instruments despite the great synths available.

  • AudioGusAudioGus

    @mindscaper said:

    @Slam_Cut said:

    @mindscaper said:
    My gut feeling is that nanostudio the second will satisfy even the most fussy iOS music maker

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    Except that nano studio the second is vaporware to most of us.

    NS2 is most definitly NOT vaporware. Save your pennies - you will have a happy Christmas. Mindscaper is right.

    Damn right I’m right

    Can’t wait to see the threads that will take over this forum once it’s (finally) out

    I seem to recall there won’t be any audio tracks though... :/

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