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How to sync Ruismaker Noir with other apps and Ableton?
I absolutely love this beast and using it all time with Cubasis. This weekend I want to try to expand my setup and jam with Noir, VCV Rack and Ableton. Problem is Noir has no Link support, Cubasis has no Link support and Audiobus 2 (I didn't get v3) for some reason sees Ripplemaker, Phasemaker, Troublemaker and Rusmaker but not Noir. MidiLink sync also didn't help.
So anybody solved this problem?
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You need AB3, AUM or apeMatrix to use Noir with Link. Or perhaps Cubasis sending midi clock to Ableton with some midi interfaces or via Studiomux and a lightning cable.
ApeMatrix is also Ableton Link compatible and offers a lot of routing advantages when it comes to setting up multiple Ruismaker Noir instances as a 'kit'. It all depends on how your brain is wired. Once you understand matrix based routings it opens up a lot of creative possibilities. AUM is certainly the more straightforward of the two.
Having said all that I'm in the camp that says owning all three of ApeMatrix, Audiobus 3 and AUM is pretty essential when it comes to managing the majority of usage scenarios you'll encounter in iOS Audio. Those and some decent MIDI utilities such as those offered by AudioVeek.
Also, Audiobus 3 now has a new feature similar to Midi Link Sync. So Cubasis could send midi clock to Audiobus 3 which will convert it to Link, and Cubasis/Ableton will be synced via Audiobus. I think this feature is only in beta, but should be released for AppStore version soon. Waiting for that, Midi Link Sync is still available on AppStore for 1.09 €. You will need to host Ruismaker Noir in Cubasis as AU, enable midi clock out in Cubasis, Link in Ableton, and Midi Link Sync app with this setup:
I like the Noir sequencer fine and use it just to make presets sometimes, but I find is usually just easier to use with other apps with the sequencer off. I.e simply send it midi note data. Sync won’t matter assuming your latency is decent
@Janosax
Are you describing the AB3 beta?
If not, how do you setup AB3 to receive Cubasis Midi clock and convert it to Link?
So only working options is to buy another app (AB3, AUM, apeMatrix)? Looks like not so effectively. Maybe @brambos plan to add Link support in future updates?
@Multicellular, can you explain your method? I mean I don't actually get how seqencer connected with sync options
Yes beta only. You could ask Michael to join beta testing if you can’t wait
Works better with tighter sync than Midi Link Sync. Just go to settings in beta version and use those settings:
@lazyass honestly, that make no sense to use Noir in standalone mode, it’s much more powerful as AUV3. Cubasis will be able to record Noir sequencer output, so you can do some edition (I do that in GarageBand). Also, AB3/AUM/ApeM are very powerful for that kind of stuff, especially ApeM with LFO. An AU host will also allows you to use AU effects on Noir output. And again, Midi Link Sync will do the trick with Cubasis for 1.09 €.
@Janosax I use it a lot as AU3 with effects and etc but as I say I want to pair it with vcv rack and get some kind of modular system where noir act like a drum machine and vcv adds voices. And I need some kind of Link for that
I have Midi Link Sync and tried to pair it with Cubasis but didn't succeed. Did you?
My goodness, just take the plunge, AB3, AUM or apeMatrix are amazing apps, anyone of them will be good long term investments. AB3 may be what you want if you already know AB2, AB3 a big and exciting jump up from AB2.
I use AUM the most because it records individual channels, AB3 needs to be routed to say, cubasis to record.
Ok I understand better what you need. So with Noir AU it seems that you loose some features?
About Midi Link Sync, I use it with GarageBand and it works perfectly with the setup posted above. Should be the same with Cubasis.
Agree with @Calverhall about investing in AB3. I understand that some of us are on fixed budgets and spending $$$ must be approached carefully. But save up for AB3. So worth it and Michael works hard to keep us happy.
I use MidiLinkSync with Cubasis often.
The main thing is choose MidiLinkSync, not Cubasis as the Midi Clock Source.
It is confusing, but Cubasis sends Midi clock out on a generic Virtual Midi port, and Midi Link Sync Virtual port picks it up in the Midi Link Sync app.
Cubasis sends the other Midi Out stuff on the Cubasis Midi port, but not the Midi Clock.
That is why if you choose the Cubasis port in Midi Link Sync, it seems like it isn’t receiving anything. It actually isn’t receiving any Clock from Cubasis, unless it listens to the MidiLinkSync port.
Hope that helps, and doesn’t further confuse you.
If you still need help with this, you can PM me.
So I was assuming you are trying to sync its sequencer to make Ableton start and stop it. I have not done that with Ableton, but I have with Reaper. Simply have a beat in midi in Reaper, send it out via midi to the iPad, hosting Noir as an Au3 (I did in Modstep but should work similarly in other hosts), send the audio back into the desktop. I had to turn the sequencer off I think in Reaper because it would start and stop it by default.
I also find this better usually because it is easier to use Noir as pitched, slightly pitched percussion that way.
Internally in Modstep, it also works this way, just load it in as an Au3, turn off sequencer, and play any midi notes into it.
Sync is just by virtue of midi notes going to it from host.
@lukesleepwalker, problem is I just get cubasis and it's doing the same as bm3. and I don't think it's good idea to buy whole daw just to sync one app. even it's really really cool
@CracklePot, sounds like solution, I will try after football. thanks detailed for explanation
Got it. A reasonable point of view, but note that many around here have no problem buying everything in sight on the App Store. No peer pressure, of course.
@lukesleepwalker, same with me, black friday burned hole in my pocket) so I decided to limit myself and buy apps I really need.
but why brambos didn't add link support to noir when all his apps got it?
Hi, I understand your point, but I’m moving away from standalone apps. AUv3 is the future and IAA/Link/CoreMidi support just adds a ton of trouble to the package.
You don’t lose any features in AUv3 mode. It’s pretty much identical, including fullscreen support. In fact it adds features: full parameter automation, automatic state saving, automatic host sync, etc. Just pick a host that does what you need it to do. It seems if you want to mix desktop and iOS Cubasis is not the best option. The other AU hosts mentioned in this thread are better options if you want your host to play nice with more complex multi-device setups.
@brambos, I saw your post about transition to auv3 but I thought if noir has standalone app it may have link support. anyway, I didn't know it means a lot of troubles.
by the way, any chances to see something new from you in near future?
@lazyass This is for you, even though I'm replying to @lukesleepwalker
To provide a bit of clarity ref ApeMatix, Audiobus 3 and AUM as being very useful app options to have available if you have the budget for all three. Although each is a host much as Cubasis is a host, they each have particular strengths as linking technologies for iOS audio.
For me, the core reasons I own all three (distilled down to a single reason for each) is that 1.) ApeMatrix allows for very creative routing. 2.) Audiobus 2/3 tame the duck shoot that is IAA like no other. 3.) AUM is the easiest way to turn your iPhone/iPad into a multitimbral instrument/FX module to hook up to other stuff, be that PA equipment or your desktop DAW - Studiomux is my actually my preferred DAW integration tool but I promised to stick to the aforementioned three!
But on the subject of Studiomux, the same developer is responsible for ModStep and this does everything Studiomux does if you have the Studiomux server installed on your PC/Mac without the need to purchase the Studiomux iOS app separately. ModStep's not only a very Ableton like UX, it has great rock solid Ableton Link sync too. The main thing that stops it from being a full recommendation is that it's in development stasis at the moment whilst we await the release of ModStep 2, and a by-product of this, is that much as ModStep is an excellent AUv3 host, it doesn't do AUv3 MIDI FX hosting; so, for instance, if you want to use the ace @brambos Rozetta suite of MIDI sequencing tools you'll need ApeMatrix or AUM too (I haven't tested Audiobus for this). As it happens, my preferred way of working with Ruismaker Noir is via ApeMatrix hosted in ModStep. And at the moment you can purchase both ModStep and ApeMatrix for around the same price as AUM alone (maybe $3 more, ModStep itself is half price - $9.99). It's a serious consideration as working in ModStep is very similar to working in Ableton (I personally prefer it's sequencing capabilities to anything else on iOS), and as mentioned, it enables you to feed audio and MIDI directly into Ableton via the Lightning Cable (no need for separate Audio/MIDI device/s). In fact, the use case scenario you outline, could be achieved by ModStep alone. Just be aware of the MIDI FX limitation and the likelihood that you'll be seeing a ModStep 2 on the AppStore sometime over the next 12 months or so.
I agree it's all too easy to get swept along with the next must-buy app fuelling conversation threads in iOS related hangouts and end up spending more than you did on your desktop DAW over a three-year period! But ApeMatrix, Audiobus and AUM really are the glue of iOS audio IMHO (listed alphabetically BTW not in order of preference).
Excellent post. Thoughtful, detailed, and right on the money. Pun intended.