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[Video] Have you guys seen the Birch controller by ToneTree? What would you guys do with this?

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A few more examples on their channel. They demo'd at the SF electronic music meetup, the room was captivated, and applauded.

We talked about alternate controllers and apps like tc-data, midi designer, et al. We also ultimately about mused about audience and applications. Should this be a simple piano maestro/garageband-esque kind of toy? For a mass market? Is there a professional market for this? Is it an alternative to keyboards like nanokey and qunexus?

What would you differently with this touch surface, than with a touch interface device like the ipad?

Please take the poll!

What do you think of Birch?
  1. Wow, the Birch is…11 votes
    1. …friggin' awesome, dude!
      45.45%
    2. …pretty cool
      27.27%
    3. …a clever experiment
      18.18%
    4. …WTF?
        9.09%
  2. This looks like it would be best for…11 votes
    1. Professional musicans
      45.45%
    2. Amateur hobbyist
      27.27%
    3. Musical toy
      18.18%
    4. Learning instrument
        9.09%
  3. Would you use this mostly as…11 votes
    1. …a primary controller
        0.00%
    2. …an second/alternative controller
      36.36%
    3. …your go-to on-the-go controller
        9.09%
    4. …an experimental toy
      54.55%
  4. Would you buy one if it was similarly priced to other micro keyboards?11 votes
    1. YO!
      27.27%
    2. NO!
      18.18%
    3. Maybe. (If I can persuade the Mrs.)
      54.55%

Comments

  • what is the attraction to virtual controllers?

  • edited September 2015

    @kobamoto said:
    what is the attraction to virtual controllers?

    That's what I'm asking. They have a "wow" factor. But what is the sweet spot for an application that makes sense?

  • That sweet spot is likely still in development. I am quite in favor of this device myself. This has the feel of a near field Kinect device. I loved what the Gestrument developer did with Kinect integration and have nudged the TC-Data dev to look into that too. Imagine adding a Z axis to TC-Data... It like takes technology like this. Thank you for sharing John!

  • For me it would come down to the configuration software. Their website says they're looking to hire an iOS developer so that's good news!

    From what I could tell, it was able to detect directional movement and velocity. Impressive. At one point it looked (and sounded) like Orphion.

    @kobamoto said:
    what is the attraction to virtual controllers?

    Can't speak for others but I think general appeal of virtual controllers is infinite customizability. Presuming the configuration software is good, this is essentially BeatSurfing but you can draw it.

  • It would be interesting to see one of these built from scratch rather than only after it's been set up.

  • I hope they develop this further. I love the potential of these type controllers.
    Here is another impressive use of the Kinect...

    http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2015/05/28/seattle-symphony-debuts-new-work-for-orchestra-kinect-controlled-music-robots/#more-64083

  • Rather than markers and little circles or keys, I'd pay for one of these if it came w/ Reactable-type control cubes, and projected a virtual control surface that would react to the position & rotation of the cubes.

  • @Icepulse said:
    Rather than markers and little circles or keys, I'd pay for one of these if it came w/ Reactable-type control cubes, and projected a virtual control surface that would react to the position & rotation of the cubes.

    trippy~ also, you're suggesting additional hardware, even if the cubes weren't "smart". maybe they could have markings to indicate unique features.

    i think you're getting further away from a mainstreamish product, though.

  • They merely have to have markings the camera can identify. Toss em in as an extra for a few bucks more.

  • @Icepulse said:
    They merely have to have markings the camera can identify. Toss em in as an extra for a few bucks more.

    If I understand the tech correctly, the markings are for the humans. The machine has the surface mapped internally.

  • @johnfromberkeley said:
    If I understand the tech correctly, the markings are for the humans. The machine has the surface mapped internally.

    In that case, I hate it.

  • @Icepulse said:
    In that case, I hate it.

    But what do you really think?

  • I think they should tweak it to read specific designs on f***in' cubes, guy!! ;)

    I mean that.

    Until then, it does nothing you couldn't do on the screen.

  • Great!
    It's the next level of this...

    Paper Piano por Gyorgyi Kerekes
    https://appsto.re/es/9KMXN.i

  • I don't think this is about what it is.

    I think it is more about what this will do to spark a better more practical use of the technology.

    Thanks for posting the vid. I enjoyed seeing something new to ponder.

  • @syrupcore said:
    For me it would come down to the configuration software. Their website says they're looking to hire an iOS developer so that's good news!

    From what I could tell, it was able to detect directional movement and velocity. Impressive. At one point it looked (and sounded) like Orphion.

    Can't speak for others but I think general appeal of virtual controllers is infinite customizability. Presuming the configuration software is good, this is essentially BeatSurfing but you can draw it.

    that's interesting as I like the sound of infinite customizability but at the same time, I don't want any of my musical instruments to be infinitely customizable as that would take away their unique ness and cut down on the growth that comes with bonding with a certain instrument, actually maybe something like this is actually cutting into what the definition of what an instrument is i dunno. Sometimes when I see all the virtual stuff I wonder if people just want to get away from actual things, like wanting to play a vr piano with their hands in the air as opposed to playing an actual piano..... ?
    I think this kind of thing has enormous potential for educational purposes though.... there are people and places that cannot afford instruments.

  • All I can say is yes, I want it. I would strap it on top of a djembe and see what happens. Or to the side of a cajon, even better.

  • This is dream for drums the more I think of it.

    Allow for really awesome performance abilities. Included live theatrical productions that utilize technology.

  • Hope the latency would be not too bad with this.

    Maybe someone could make now an app where people can draw their own virtual knobs, keyboard, whatever on the iPad pro with the pencil as perfect personal midi controller.

  • Would be great to see how this would react to an MC Escher drawing.

  • @johnfromberkeley said:
    If I understand the tech correctly, the markings are for the humans. The machine has the surface mapped internally.

    Oh. I assumed that you drew something and then in the software you could see what the controller saw and then you assigned things (like MIDI notes) per area it sees (like beat surfing). If it's entirely predefined and essentially projecting something it has as a preset I'm totally uninterested. I mean, I can see lots of clever applications for it but none that I'm particularly excited about. Though the idea of adding it to something like a djembe or cajon or something is intriguing.

  • @Cinebient said:
    Hope the latency would be not too bad with this.

    Maybe someone could make now an app where people can draw their own virtual knobs, keyboard, whatever on the iPad pro with the pencil as perfect personal midi controller.

    Tha low latency is amazing.

  • I like the idea of virtual controllers that allow for more expression and not so excited to see them as replacements for traditional instruments. OSC seems a better fit for these sorts of devices as it has more flexibility and resolution. For me it would be more for creating a piece somewhat spontaneously rather than engineering a specific preconceived idea. The feedback between the motions you make and the resultant sound would be the engaging process for me. Using scales other than the traditional western 12 tone scale would definitely benefit from the flexibility of a virtual instrument not dependent upon a certain number of strings, keys, valves, or holes.

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