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Help for a blind musician -- is CordPolyPad accessible for blind folks?
Hi folks, could someone do me a huge favor please?
I'm blind, and i want to know if CPP works with the VoiceOver screen reader on IOS.
You might think ha? a blind person using an iPad or iPhone? IOS has a built-in screen reader which helps us out. 
You already have it on your iphone/pad.
If you're willing to help me out:
Go to settings > general > accessibility > voiceover.
Activate voiceover Back out in to the accesibility menue, and activate the accessibility shortcut "tripple press home button" This will help you shut VO off quickly if you want. It can get anoying.
and then go in to CPP and touch the screen as if you were using the app.
Do you hear the VO app speaking meaningful information?
To activate a button you'll need to touch it and then doubletap.
Please let me know if it seems to work.
Thanks so much!
Rusty
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Hey, yes it seems to work fine.
Seems convenient after some accomodation, nice.
Yes your right, it can get pretty annoying, although I'm sure it's useful after spending a bit of time. The buttons that don't tell you anything are undo, redo, midi, info, resize pads and so on. All the buttons that use an image rather than letters.
Thanks guys!
I contacted the dev and he mentioned that sliders and buttons were not accessible.
But, your comments make me think that maybe I could give it a shot and at least have some success.
I'm trying to encourage him to build in more accessibility in a future update.
I hope so. I don't know how much extra work it is, but it is certainly appreciated.
Other devs have done some nice work in this area.
If you have any other thoughts, I'd appreciate those also.
thanks!
rusty
Maybe we should start listing apps that work with VoiceOver.
GarageBand and audiobus work with VoiceOver I tested that.
didn't have much luck with the other stuff I tried, I tried to get developers attention to this, but looks like I failed, nothing happened.
I'm pretty sure Thumbjam has voiceover support, maybe @sonosaurus can confirm?
Yes, ThumbJam should be mostly accessible with VoiceOver. Sometimes iOS updates break parts of it, but things should mostly work, and I'd like feedback for where it is broken!
Hi sonosaurus,
I've got thumbJam and it works pretty well!
I enjoy looping and so I'm trying to figure out how to accomplish that while I play, but that's not an accessibility issue I don't think.
I'm curious about Drumbjam.
And, as far as listing apps which seem accessible, please do so. I, for one, would really appreciate it.
iKaossilator seems to be mostly accessible.
Thanks!
@sonosaurus good work
Well, recording with VoiceOver on is a bit troublesome because of all the speaking it does when you are getting the buttons visible and actually double-tapping them. Are you on iPad or iPhone?
DrumJam does have VoiceOver support as well, but there are likely a few more issues with that for some parts of the app... give it a try though!
I think the Trick is to have the VoiceOver on a Bluetooth Headset... And the App via Headphone out Over an amp for everybody ...
If I have VoiceOver and the music just blasting out of the iPad speaker it drives me crazy.
Thanks @sonosaurus,
Lala,
this is what I've been trying to accomplish, getting VO out of the iDevice on its own, maybe with system sounds, and the music out of another port.
I was thinking headphone out for one and digital out of a camera kit for the music audio, but do you think that bluetooth is the best idea for VoiceOver?
That actually sounds good.
I'll have to give it a try.
I was actually going to post a question about routing audio out of two different ports. but maybe I have my answer now.
@lala, have you tried any of the BeepStreet apps with Voiceover? I would love to use Gyrosynth and impaktor. Do you think they'd be useful?
I just downloaded and am using SoundPrism and I'm pretty excited about it.
I wish the buttons on the main screen were labeled, but, for the most part, it works best to just turn VO off and go for it.
I've just written to the devs in hopes of getting a little more accessibility love.
@sonosaurus I've got thumbjam on both my phone and my ipad.
The realestate is quite tight on my iPhone 4s, but it's better on the ipad.
@rustyperez: nope, beepstreet doesn't work with VO, it's not that I didn't ask for it ...
but you could ask him again, it's much more convincing if someone who needs it asks for it, than good old lala saying I want this ...
Hi, sorry about delay, been very busy.
My apps don't support voice over, I just can't imagine controlling knobs etc.. this way. Maybe I should educate myself
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I think musical apps for blind musicians should be developed from the ground. e.g. How about a sequencer, where you sing notes?
would be happy to sit on this one day.
One downside is... This app will be expensive
Wrap your head around it, it's simpler than you think,
gyrosynth and sunrizer with correctly named buttons, knobs and faders would go a long way.
playing the midi keyboard is no problem if you can't see ...
I can still play Beethoven if I close my eyes, I only have to look every now and then if I make more drastic key jumps (need to move hand position/gesture starts here - I guess in these cases if I couldn't look I would just slide my fingers left and right and count the keys I'm passing, so I know where my fingers are). It's all muscle memory...
(A video of Stevie wonder and friends)
now tell me who of the 4 players couldn't see his keys
@RustyPerez I bet you prefer using only your iDevice, right?
No external controllers involved?
I was thinking about Audiobus State-Saving being really helpful in your case so you could setup your workflows previously
Hello @giku_beepstreet You are right in that YOU cannot imagine it. But a blind person spends their life imagining how they can navigate in a sighted world. It is my life's work figuring out how to get around and interpret a world created for sighted people. It is possible, and very doable.
I am not a programmer, but people like @sonosaurus have made some simple additions to their code such as button labels which make applications usable.
We need to worry about other things as well, see the above discussion about putting the voice over bluetooth, but you don't have to worry about that. Also, once the instrument is set to play, key set, scale set, then the voice goes away and I rock!
I appreciate your response. Please give it some thought.
Thanks!
I've been told by another blind musician that he uses audiobus that way ...he had Bluetooth headphones to hear the voice over and recorded some apps via audiobus ( voiceover is excluded from recording), to bad I don't know his exact setup
programming wise this shouldn't be a big deal is just an little extra layer that says this knob is cut off (...), it's like alt text for pics in html ...
the thing is we seeing people have a tendency to ignore these possibilities, (so we include text on pictures without getting that not everyone can see the pic and has access to the text ...).
Hey Siri open sunrizer works, if you have some midi keyboard attached and fixed up there is no need to see anything, if only the vo labels were a little more telling then "button" (there is a 3 finger guesture to scroll in menus with active VO, took me a while to figure that out).
I just tried sunrizer with vo, I was also able to change presets and presets banks that works, but If I couldn't see I would have never found the preset menu because it just says button in VO like all the other buttons do and not "preset menu" ...(the virtual keyboard doesn't work with vo @ all).
So if you can't see if you start in the upper left corner and go to the right the preset menus is the 6th button ...
If you go to iPad settings sunrizer you can switch the midi channel so that is reachable too. Just need a camera connection kit and a midi keyboard.
Wow @lala awesome!
I wonder if any apps, or midi outboard equipment can change presets on these softsynths?
I discovered today that Impaktor is somewhat usable!
The opening screen has lots of unlabeled buttons. I activated the button in the lower right hand corner of the screen, and the app began to accept mic input just fine!
The row of buttons on the bottom "Mixer" "Help" ETC speak though they add "32" at the end of their names.
The presets speak their names and work when activated.
The synth area is a mystery to me. Partly this is because I don't really know what all of the settings do. But also because I'm not sure how to interact with the controls. The numbered buttons and buttons at the top of the synth screen seem to make changes, but that's it.
Anyway, I think a few tweaks could have this working well!
I'm encouraged enough that I will purchase Gyrosynth
Yes, sunrizer understands midi program changes, you would need to set up the midicontroller to send program changes, I am not sure if I would be able to do that if I couldn't see. But once that is setup and saved in the controller there is no need to worry. So you may need a little help for that, or have a less confusing usb midi controller than I have, lol
hehe I know how to test if Voiceover is any good now, that may come in handy sometime
edit: @RustyPerez - An idea, if you own two devices:
Connect them via bluetooth.
Now, you can run audiobus on one and remote on the other. There seem to be not many apps with remote controlled buttons, but for the time being you could try it with soundprism (on both) and sunrizer in ab.
Or (without ab remote) you can bridge them with the native bt connection or 'apollo over bluetooth' and load for example nlogsynth or chordpolypad on both, and again sunrizer etc. on the one with audiobus.
Maybe it's also working via network session (plus additionally over a computer).
Hey guys, Do you suppose I could use audiobus remote to separate my VoiceOver audio from the device that's actually playing the music?
In other words, device one runs Sunrizer or animoog, or whatever, and device two is running audiobus remote and I listen to the output on device 2 for my queues and guidance info from Voiceover? while I remotely control device 1?
thoughts?
... yes, @RustyPerez, that's what I was thinking too, see post above, give it a try
Sounds to cool to not to try.
@sebastian does remote give useful VoiceOver?
http://www.applevis.com/guides/voiceover
http://www.applevis.com/guides/mac-apps-voiceover/guide-using-audio-hijack-voiceover