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Cubasis or not cubasis, that is the question?
Hi I'm needing some advice here before I spend £40 on another app that turns out to be nothing but frustration. I'm trying hard to get a workflow going on my iPad Air 2 iOS 9 and I have a number of daw apps already(gadget, Auria, beat maker 2, GarageBand). I love gadget it's great for quickly getting things down and then uploading to there sound cloud page, but I want a daw that can use all my other synth and drum apps. I've struggled up to now to get a quick reliable workflow going and I'm often left frustrated, apps not responding in audiobus or timing being out and starting things all over again. Only last night I had a great groove going in samplr running into analogkit then into beatmaker, but I come to record and everything has frozen. At this point I turned off the iPad and went to bed.
This morning I have been looking at cubasis, the price up to this point has put me off but if it will become my reliable daw that has few issues using iaa then I'll be happy. Any opinions on cubasis, I like the idea of using midi tracks rather than audio only in Auria.
Rant over....
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There are many things, which can influent interapp-audio in a bad way. This is not completely in the hand of the daw-developer. Cubasis is not different than any other iOS-Daw in this regard currently and probably will not give you more stability and convenience as Audiobus, when it comes to music-creation with multiple apps.
Third party plugins as reliable and versatile as built in effects/instruments, currently are only true for Auria (no instruments there, of course - we are waiting for Auria Pro, which could be a game changer). Perhaps, things will get better with Audio Units in the future, with a deeper integration of third-party plugins.
But Cubasis is a good DAW in my oppinion and supports IAA and Audiobus as good as possible.
Hi Thesim, I've been using Cubasis since it became available, but as I'm on ios7 I'm not up to date on the newer versions.
I don't use iaa. Stick to virtual midi. This works with most (if not all) midi instruments. Midi clock works well with the SugarBytes stuff (Thesys, Egoist), most drum apps work except DM1 still.. But you can get around this by AudioCopy beats from DM1 and AudioPaste into Cubasis. £40 is a one off payment that gets you more workflow possibilities. And learning it well should help improve your workflow.
If you are looking for a good midi-sequencer, Multitrackstudio is also worth a look. It has a very nice editor and supports IAA and, of course can can act as midi-clock source.
Thanks a lot for the replies, I think I need to look more into virtual midi and midi clock to gain a greater understanding of what's going on. This may also help with my current timing issues. Any decent tutorials on this at all?
IMO, the midi editor in Cubasis is a real pain. If you're used to Gadget, you'll very quickly be annoyed to edit midi notes in Cubasis.
I agree, although I don't have gadget, they could do better there. I like the midi editor in Nano.
Me and Jakob use Cubasis all the time, I love it because it lets me work "old style" but Jakob uses it a bit differntly
It gets a lot easier, when the little lock-symbol in the toolbar is activated - no mad scrolling, when moving notes towards the borders. I found out, it is quite usable this way.
Yup Cubasis is a nice work horse that has been rock solid . If you want a dependable daw this is definitely a great choice.
In fact, what drives me nut in Cubasis midi editor is that it isn't really working in a logical way on a touchscreen device. The need to always travel between the "select", the "erase" and the "draw" tools is a workflow killer for me.
Gadget is SO more intuitive, easy and fun to use in this area ! I hope Auria Pro will work in a similar way.
I use Cubasis all the time.Works great to connect all your apps and record all the audio and midi into one place and tweak a little afterwards.Yesterday i recorded a midi track from patterning and sended the midi out to play beathawk and it worked perfect.Not everything perfect but i think its the best you can get coming close to a pc daw experience.
Maybe Auria will eventually deliver, but for now, if you want audio and midi in an easy to use "just get on and do it" package, I think Cubasis is simple, reliable and (generally) just works.
I assume/hope that Rim has been checking out the other products, as he builds Auria Pro. The rest of the Auria interface is so well suited to the touchscreen, and is so easy to use, I have high hopes.
The unfortunate thing is that a lot of this still comes down to the platform. iOS was designed to be a toy/phone OS. It would run thing at a time, and apps where specifically now supposed to talk to each other, for security reasons. Now it's morphing, and if there is a single person on this board who has not gotten weird shit happening that drives them crazy, I'd be really surprised. And the weird shit can just magically go away the next time you start everything up.
OTOH, you're not talking a whole bunch of money to try Cubasis. So why not? For me, it would be more the time invested to learn it. But I'm waiting on Auria Pro. Auria is good enough for the straight audio, I'm betting it's going to be just as good at midi.
I bought Cubasis and returned it as I found it unusable in terms of midi editing. I didn't like built in instruments either. You've opened a bit of a can of worms with your question and the answer will ultimately be down to your personal way of working.
I use Cubasis and would suggest it if you hadn't purchased a DAW. But as you have Auria already, I would recommend you persevere with that until you can honestly say to yourself it doesn't do what you need it to. I suspect gaining a little more familiarity with Auria will pay dividends.
As for MIDI, I thought it would be a massive advantage for Cubasis but then I watched Doug's workflow video, where he records audio via IAA into Cubasis and that really made a lot of sense. MIDI sequencing is ok and I use it, just not nearly as much as I thought I would.
Thanks for all of the input it helps to get others perspective on the situation. It's a shame there are no demo versions as I could take it for a spin and decide if it fits without going through the refund option after purchasing it. I realise it's all subjective and it could open a can of worms but it helps to get others feelings and ideas.
Also 'app price drop' recommend waiting for the next sale which looking at there recent sales may not be far away, I'd definitely go for it at half price.
FWIW I use Cubasis a lot. I personally like its workflow very much and find it the best and most versatile DAW. But, the freezing while switching between apps to record has happened to me as well. So not sure if its a app or hardware issue. I got used to the Midi note editing and workflow. It may not be the fastest to work on, but I like it because it gives me great control over every aspect of the note creation.
Agreed. I know Auria is the choice of the elite, but I just can't get down with the layout. I find it antiquated and less considered than Cubasis.
If you are not in a huge rush I would recommend waiting for Auria Pro and then asking how people feel between the two of them. I do use cubasis as my central DAW however I am anticipating not using it much once Auria Pro comes around.
That's what I did, waited for it to go on sale. APD has an email alert, just in case the sale period is short lived.
Thanks again, Auria pro will definitely be one to look at once it arrives, I bought Auria because of the upgrade price with the plan of getting into Auria and then jumping straight into pro. That was when the original release was billed for spring time and there was a buzz around it but that seams to have dropped away over the months and that's why my attention is on cubasis.
It could be Christmas before Auria introduces midi, and then there's no guarantee it's going to work from the off. Cubasis has ironed out midi problems over several updates. So if you want to just get on with making music, I'd recommend Cubasis. This is just my opinion.
Hi Thesim,
Here is a link to all available official tutorials and teasers about Cubasis:
http://www.steinberg.de/forums/viewtopic.php?f=183&t=82110&sid=27075afc44259831f8e2d7759154ca06
Of course, lots of additional clips from other users are available on the web also...
Hope that helps,
Lars
I'm not that keen on the MIDI editing, but as for the built-in instruments it's worth saying that the Micrologue synth is really good.
I connect a lot of midi devices, Drums - Keyboard - Pads - Beatstep, as well as audio input from Guitar and Bass. I use Cubasis all the time and overall find it a pleasure to work with.
There are ODD issues from time to time, but the majority of these are caused by individual IAA apps and not by Cubasis.
Hi @Thesim
I'm a big Gadget user/fan... but I know where you're coming from in terms of using all your other apps
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I own Cubasis but have taken it off my device as I could get on with it. I hated the piano roll (it didn't allow me to have it just show the scale I was working in - and it had other crazy annoying things).
I also found, back then, that the idea of having 5 or 6 apps all running live off different midi tracks seemed like a good idea - but in reality there was always something that would go wrong somewhere. And it took ages to set up each session etc..
However, i'm now returning a bit to 'workflow outside of Gadget' and personally am really enjoying using Genome to create little sequences of midi clips which I can jam with and the point the audio into Auria. Genome lets you sequence up to 16 different synths if you want - but I wouldn't recommend. However it's clock is good so you can have it start/stop something like Patterning and Samplr - and also drive a couple of synths, say. Then when happy - i'd probably record track by track into Auria for further work... (although you could probably record all tracks in simultaneously if you were brave).
Anyway - maybe consider Genome (on offer at the moment I think at £7). ProMidi might be another alternative. If you fancy continuing to use Auria but want to use Midi to drive your synths.
Thanks all its been really helpful getting some help with this, I've decided to wait until the sale then give it a go and just see how I get on. I've watched the steinberg tutorial vids and if things run as smoothly as they appear too then it might just do the job. Hi Matt I've looked up genome and its £5 on sale at the moment and it does look like an interesting option so I might give that a go for now.
Just an update, I bought cubasis this morning and I'm very impressed so far. I'm just getting into the workflow and finding out what works and how but I'm really enjoying it, already started a couple of song ideas off and things are running smooth. I can so far see the midi niggles and annoyances but I can live with them so all in all I'm a happy chap. Cheers for the advice everyone.