Anyone familiar with the current state of Android music apps?

MobileMusic

@Dawdles said:

@MobileMusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@MobileMusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@MobileMusic said:

@Beathoven said:

@Dawdles said:

@kv331audio_bulent said:
Once we sort out Android development the next step is actually building a hardware synth using Linux/Raspberry Pi

I find it hard to get hyped when companies say ‘we’re doing this thing (android), and that thing(sm3), and another thing(hardware)..’.When their current products have some major issues. Reminds me of recent Elektron...Great approach for stockholders, Not so great for recent customers. Hopefully you guys are a big enough team to juggle it all though People will stop buying from a company if they have a rep for moving priority on from one product too quickly to the next. At least buying on release...I’ll never pre-order another Elektron box. I’ll wait it out for at least a year and see how things go....
The projected September release for the next Sm1 update is already kinda far between fixes (compared to some devs at least...) and who’s to say what your attention will shift to in the meantime with all this other stuff on the table... No harm done yet so im not criticising, just reserving judgement on whether to be excited about any of this other stuff until ios sm1 has been tidied up a little better...

+1

Still so much to fix on current platforms without aiming at new platforms and then hardware. Please don’t take your eye off the ball, KV331.

It is building up a backlog to work on later. In software development, people do not work on a product from start to finish and then start digging into another project. As the current project progresses, they plan and build up a backlog of tasks for future work. The backlog gets groomed and prioritized into a new project months before current project is finished. When the current project is finished, there is the next project waiting to take up so the developer has work and does not sit idle waiting for groomed tasks. There is a whole category of team leads/scrum masters whose job is just to keep building up the backlog, grooming the backlog into project backlogs, ensure that there is continuous work for developers and no one is sitting idle for the money they are getting paid. IT is one of the most expensive departments in any company and it costs the company a lot of $$!

The projected September release for the next Sm1 update is already kinda far between fixes (compared to some devs at least...)

It's not. Steinberg releases maybe 2 updates at most in a year to Cubasis.

Is it surprising that when there is NO development of DAW/synth apps on Android for years by any company (including Steinberg), people keep asking - why not? But when a company shows promise, wants to invest time and $$ and wants to develop for Android, people ask - why?

SM1 will not be fully ready tomorrow or next week or next month. I will evolve in a few months and we have to wait.

You say all this like there’s only one kind of dev manifesto that they all read from religiously and like all teams have the same resources. There are thousands of devs with plenty of different approaches. Look at GR16 or BM3 for example or more recently Spacecraft. Focus on one product til they nail it. And then some....

And in hardware you can compare Deluge to recent Elektron. I know which devs/companies out of those mentioned that I would instinctively trust to throw money at on release day, and which I’d be hesitant and wait it out before buying.

KV331 might have planned for SM1 for iOS the same way while they were still working on SM1 for desktop and months before finishing the desktop app - which is why we have SM1 on iOS at least now. Had they planned SM1 for iOS after finishing SM1 for desktop, we would have had it a few months from now or maybe next year. They are doing the right way.

Trust me - that's the way software development works. Any other way is just plain wrong! Spacecraft is just one dev with just one app and he could do it however he wants with/without any planning (same goes for any single dev with just one or two apps). BM3 took 3 years to develop. People are asking why BM 3.1 is delayed. It all boils down to vision, planning, organizing, time-management, backlog, priorities and a clear-cut roadmap.

Mission Statement - every business should have one clearly documented and openly communicated. Everything a business does should revolve around the mission statement and nothing else.

I can only speak as a customer and regarding the companies I trust based on the experience I have with their products/support etc. That’s what I make decisions based on, not what goes on behind the scenes

Just foresee the positive ripple effect this initiative could cause.

Let me give you a not-so-perfect analogies. 3D movies in the past were intermittent - we used to see a 3D movie and then no other 3D movies were made for years. This continued for decades until James Cameron made Avatar and proved the technology was ready for it. Peter Jackson admitted that he watched Avatar and realized the readiness of tech and made Lord of the Rings series and a slew of other 3D movies followed - Spiderman, etc. and we see so many 3D movies being made each year - there is no stopping. After Apple innovated/perfected touch screens, many touchscreen devices emerged from competitors and this has taken our generations to a whole new level of living in the cloud.

Android is a HUGE market. Music is a niche market. Availability of serious musing-making apps only on iOS currently make music even a much smaller niche market and frustrating for Android users. Android users keep asking online when these cool iOS apps would be available for them. Steinberg has shied away from Android so far. If KV331 proves Android is ready for action, a slew of other devs would follow suit and port their apps to Android. We would have so many more millions of users learning, producing and sharing music and wisdom on mobile devices that would push technology even further!

All it takes is one bold step by one dev to make that happen and in that sense, this initiative is highly commendable. Kudos to @kv331audio_bulent !!

Sorry but life’s short and money isn’t free. I can’t afford to invest time or money in a dev’s grand schemes...I’m not a shareholder. I just want solid tools..

They have already resolved some pain-points quickly and also promised to resolve the remaining issues in SM1 soon - not to mention, to add so many suggested features too. What you are expecting is too much - for them to resolve all the issues right now which is not how software development works. I already mentioned - Microsoft Windows 2000 was released with 63,000 officially known issues and vBulletin was released over 5 years ago with thousands of issues and they still keep squashing hundreds of bugs every couple of months (SM1 doesn't have thousands or even hundreds of bugs, does it?). If some issue is completely blocking you from using SM1, communicate it and let the dev prioritize it. If you are not happy with their strategy or your money is more valuable than others' money or your time is more precious than others' time or you cannot wait, they have already offered you a refund. A company has to do what is ideal for their bottomline with long-range plans by following their Mission Statement and also please a wider range of userbase. What is not ideal is all of this conversation would take away dev's attention from what he could do instead - it's not going to hurry up the fixing of issues in any way.

Remember, even Steve Balmer was mistaken about the iPhone and literally mocked at it (like an illiterate he is). What's even worse is - it took over a decade for him to officially admit that he was mistaken about it. That's even worse!

Samu

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Remember, even Steve Balmer was mistaken about the iPhone and literally mocked at it (like an illiterate he is). What's even worse is - it took over a decade for him to officially admit that he was mistaken about it. That's even worse!

He's just crazy

MobileMusic

@Samu said:

@MobileMusic said:

Remember, even Steve Balmer was mistaken about the iPhone and literally mocked at it (like an illiterate he is). What's even worse is - it took over a decade for him to officially admit that he was mistaken about it. That's even worse!

He's just crazy

Yeah, I saw that video in the past addressing developers - that's why I called him an illiterate. Microsoft suffered during his regime. If the top person is not techy and not up-to-the-mark or senile, the whole company/country will suffer!!

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lovadamusic

@Dawdles said:

@MobileMusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@MobileMusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@MobileMusic said:

@Beathoven said:

@Dawdles said:

@kv331audio_bulent said:
Once we sort out Android development the next step is actually building a hardware synth using Linux/Raspberry Pi

I find it hard to get hyped when companies say ‘we’re doing this thing (android), and that thing(sm3), and another thing(hardware)..’.When their current products have some major issues. Reminds me of recent Elektron...Great approach for stockholders, Not so great for recent customers. Hopefully you guys are a big enough team to juggle it all though People will stop buying from a company if they have a rep for moving priority on from one product too quickly to the next. At least buying on release...I’ll never pre-order another Elektron box. I’ll wait it out for at least a year and see how things go....
The projected September release for the next Sm1 update is already kinda far between fixes (compared to some devs at least...) and who’s to say what your attention will shift to in the meantime with all this other stuff on the table... No harm done yet so im not criticising, just reserving judgement on whether to be excited about any of this other stuff until ios sm1 has been tidied up a little better...

+1

Still so much to fix on current platforms without aiming at new platforms and then hardware. Please don’t take your eye off the ball, KV331.

It is building up a backlog to work on later. In software development, people do not work on a product from start to finish and then start digging into another project. As the current project progresses, they plan and build up a backlog of tasks for future work. The backlog gets groomed and prioritized into a new project months before current project is finished. When the current project is finished, there is the next project waiting to take up so the developer has work and does not sit idle waiting for groomed tasks. There is a whole category of team leads/scrum masters whose job is just to keep building up the backlog, grooming the backlog into project backlogs, ensure that there is continuous work for developers and no one is sitting idle for the money they are getting paid. IT is one of the most expensive departments in any company and it costs the company a lot of $$!

The projected September release for the next Sm1 update is already kinda far between fixes (compared to some devs at least...)

It's not. Steinberg releases maybe 2 updates at most in a year to Cubasis.

Is it surprising that when there is NO development of DAW/synth apps on Android for years by any company (including Steinberg), people keep asking - why not? But when a company shows promise, wants to invest time and $$ and wants to develop for Android, people ask - why?

SM1 will not be fully ready tomorrow or next week or next month. I will evolve in a few months and we have to wait.

You say all this like there’s only one kind of dev manifesto that they all read from religiously and like all teams have the same resources. There are thousands of devs with plenty of different approaches. Look at GR16 or BM3 for example or more recently Spacecraft. Focus on one product til they nail it. And then some....

And in hardware you can compare Deluge to recent Elektron. I know which devs/companies out of those mentioned that I would instinctively trust to throw money at on release day, and which I’d be hesitant and wait it out before buying.

KV331 might have planned for SM1 for iOS the same way while they were still working on SM1 for desktop and months before finishing the desktop app - which is why we have SM1 on iOS at least now. Had they planned SM1 for iOS after finishing SM1 for desktop, we would have had it a few months from now or maybe next year. They are doing the right way.

Trust me - that's the way software development works. Any other way is just plain wrong! Spacecraft is just one dev with just one app and he could do it however he wants with/without any planning (same goes for any single dev with just one or two apps). BM3 took 3 years to develop. People are asking why BM 3.1 is delayed. It all boils down to vision, planning, organizing, time-management, backlog, priorities and a clear-cut roadmap.

Mission Statement - every business should have one clearly documented and openly communicated. Everything a business does should revolve around the mission statement and nothing else.

I can only speak as a customer and regarding the companies I trust based on the experience I have with their products/support etc. That’s what I make decisions based on, not what goes on behind the scenes

Just foresee the positive ripple effect this initiative could cause.

Let me give you a not-so-perfect analogies. 3D movies in the past were intermittent - we used to see a 3D movie and then no other 3D movies were made for years. This continued for decades until James Cameron made Avatar and proved the technology was ready for it. Peter Jackson admitted that he watched Avatar and realized the readiness of tech and made Lord of the Rings series and a slew of other 3D movies followed - Spiderman, etc. and we see so many 3D movies being made each year - there is no stopping. After Apple innovated/perfected touch screens, many touchscreen devices emerged from competitors and this has taken our generations to a whole new level of living in the cloud.

Android is a HUGE market. Music is a niche market. Availability of serious musing-making apps only on iOS currently make music even a much smaller niche market and frustrating for Android users. Android users keep asking online when these cool iOS apps would be available for them. Steinberg has shied away from Android so far. If KV331 proves Android is ready for action, a slew of other devs would follow suit and port their apps to Android. We would have so many more millions of users learning, producing and sharing music and wisdom on mobile devices that would push technology even further!

All it takes is one bold step by one dev to make that happen and in that sense, this initiative is highly commendable. Kudos to @kv331audio_bulent !!

Sorry but life’s short and money isn’t free. I can’t afford to invest time or money in a dev’s grand schemes...I’m not a shareholder. I just want solid tools, and ideally roughly around the same time as I pay for them

I think the point was that the grand scheme could benefit all of us by pushing the technology forward. You don't have to believe it, but there was no mention of shareholders.

I've enjoyed having the sounds of SynthMaster Player on the iPad, but it's always been more buggy than the average iOS synth app for me. OTOH, no problems on desktop with any of their synths, and it's nice to have SynthMaster One on iPad now. The company apparently doesn't specialize in iOS. They have some great desktop synths, so their ambitions are not focused on or limited to iOS. I'm not surprised they're looking to expand. I bought the iOS app anyway and expect I'll get my 15 bucks worth, probably way more. I'm not particularly excited about anything Android, but if it helps KV331 thrive as a company, that'll bode well for future support for all of us customers.

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lovadamusic

@Dawdles said:

@lovadamusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@MobileMusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@MobileMusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@MobileMusic said:

@Beathoven said:

@Dawdles said:

@kv331audio_bulent said:
Once we sort out Android development the next step is actually building a hardware synth using Linux/Raspberry Pi

I find it hard to get hyped when companies say ‘we’re doing this thing (android), and that thing(sm3), and another thing(hardware)..’.When their current products have some major issues. Reminds me of recent Elektron...Great approach for stockholders, Not so great for recent customers. Hopefully you guys are a big enough team to juggle it all though People will stop buying from a company if they have a rep for moving priority on from one product too quickly to the next. At least buying on release...I’ll never pre-order another Elektron box. I’ll wait it out for at least a year and see how things go....
The projected September release for the next Sm1 update is already kinda far between fixes (compared to some devs at least...) and who’s to say what your attention will shift to in the meantime with all this other stuff on the table... No harm done yet so im not criticising, just reserving judgement on whether to be excited about any of this other stuff until ios sm1 has been tidied up a little better...

+1

Still so much to fix on current platforms without aiming at new platforms and then hardware. Please don’t take your eye off the ball, KV331.

It is building up a backlog to work on later. In software development, people do not work on a product from start to finish and then start digging into another project. As the current project progresses, they plan and build up a backlog of tasks for future work. The backlog gets groomed and prioritized into a new project months before current project is finished. When the current project is finished, there is the next project waiting to take up so the developer has work and does not sit idle waiting for groomed tasks. There is a whole category of team leads/scrum masters whose job is just to keep building up the backlog, grooming the backlog into project backlogs, ensure that there is continuous work for developers and no one is sitting idle for the money they are getting paid. IT is one of the most expensive departments in any company and it costs the company a lot of $$!

The projected September release for the next Sm1 update is already kinda far between fixes (compared to some devs at least...)

It's not. Steinberg releases maybe 2 updates at most in a year to Cubasis.

Is it surprising that when there is NO development of DAW/synth apps on Android for years by any company (including Steinberg), people keep asking - why not? But when a company shows promise, wants to invest time and $$ and wants to develop for Android, people ask - why?

SM1 will not be fully ready tomorrow or next week or next month. I will evolve in a few months and we have to wait.

You say all this like there’s only one kind of dev manifesto that they all read from religiously and like all teams have the same resources. There are thousands of devs with plenty of different approaches. Look at GR16 or BM3 for example or more recently Spacecraft. Focus on one product til they nail it. And then some....

And in hardware you can compare Deluge to recent Elektron. I know which devs/companies out of those mentioned that I would instinctively trust to throw money at on release day, and which I’d be hesitant and wait it out before buying.

KV331 might have planned for SM1 for iOS the same way while they were still working on SM1 for desktop and months before finishing the desktop app - which is why we have SM1 on iOS at least now. Had they planned SM1 for iOS after finishing SM1 for desktop, we would have had it a few months from now or maybe next year. They are doing the right way.

Trust me - that's the way software development works. Any other way is just plain wrong! Spacecraft is just one dev with just one app and he could do it however he wants with/without any planning (same goes for any single dev with just one or two apps). BM3 took 3 years to develop. People are asking why BM 3.1 is delayed. It all boils down to vision, planning, organizing, time-management, backlog, priorities and a clear-cut roadmap.

Mission Statement - every business should have one clearly documented and openly communicated. Everything a business does should revolve around the mission statement and nothing else.

I can only speak as a customer and regarding the companies I trust based on the experience I have with their products/support etc. That’s what I make decisions based on, not what goes on behind the scenes

Just foresee the positive ripple effect this initiative could cause.

Let me give you a not-so-perfect analogies. 3D movies in the past were intermittent - we used to see a 3D movie and then no other 3D movies were made for years. This continued for decades until James Cameron made Avatar and proved the technology was ready for it. Peter Jackson admitted that he watched Avatar and realized the readiness of tech and made Lord of the Rings series and a slew of other 3D movies followed - Spiderman, etc. and we see so many 3D movies being made each year - there is no stopping. After Apple innovated/perfected touch screens, many touchscreen devices emerged from competitors and this has taken our generations to a whole new level of living in the cloud.

Android is a HUGE market. Music is a niche market. Availability of serious musing-making apps only on iOS currently make music even a much smaller niche market and frustrating for Android users. Android users keep asking online when these cool iOS apps would be available for them. Steinberg has shied away from Android so far. If KV331 proves Android is ready for action, a slew of other devs would follow suit and port their apps to Android. We would have so many more millions of users learning, producing and sharing music and wisdom on mobile devices that would push technology even further!

All it takes is one bold step by one dev to make that happen and in that sense, this initiative is highly commendable. Kudos to @kv331audio_bulent !!

Sorry but life’s short and money isn’t free. I can’t afford to invest time or money in a dev’s grand schemes...I’m not a shareholder. I just want solid tools, and ideally roughly around the same time as I pay for them

I think the point was that the grand scheme could benefit all of us by pushing the technology forward. You don't have to believe it, but there was no mention of shareholders.

I've enjoyed having the sounds of SynthMaster Player on the iPad, but it's always been more buggy than the average iOS synth app for me. OTOH, no problems on desktop with any of their synths, and it's nice to have SynthMaster One on iPad now. The company apparently doesn't specialize in iOS. They have some great desktop synths, so their ambitions are not focused on or limited to iOS. I'm not surprised they're looking to expand. I bought the iOS app anyway and expect I'll get my 15 bucks worth, probably way more. I'm not particularly excited about anything Android, but if it helps KV331 thrive as a company, that'll bode well for future support for all of us customers.

Yeah, I just bought this shitty coffee from a sushi bar, thia place doesn’t normally sell coffee but they also wanna open a shoe store....because I like shoes I’m meant to be excited, but today my coffee still sucks. I must be a bad human.

No need to get defensive. You don't have to like KV331 or what they're doing. Don't buy their stuff. Fine. You're offering opinions publicly, and it's a discussion about more than just you.

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lovadamusic

@Dawdles said:

@lovadamusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@lovadamusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@MobileMusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@MobileMusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@MobileMusic said:

@Beathoven said:

@Dawdles said:

@kv331audio_bulent said:
Once we sort out Android development the next step is actually building a hardware synth using Linux/Raspberry Pi

I find it hard to get hyped when companies say ‘we’re doing this thing (android), and that thing(sm3), and another thing(hardware)..’.When their current products have some major issues. Reminds me of recent Elektron...Great approach for stockholders, Not so great for recent customers. Hopefully you guys are a big enough team to juggle it all though People will stop buying from a company if they have a rep for moving priority on from one product too quickly to the next. At least buying on release...I’ll never pre-order another Elektron box. I’ll wait it out for at least a year and see how things go....
The projected September release for the next Sm1 update is already kinda far between fixes (compared to some devs at least...) and who’s to say what your attention will shift to in the meantime with all this other stuff on the table... No harm done yet so im not criticising, just reserving judgement on whether to be excited about any of this other stuff until ios sm1 has been tidied up a little better...

+1

Still so much to fix on current platforms without aiming at new platforms and then hardware. Please don’t take your eye off the ball, KV331.

It is building up a backlog to work on later. In software development, people do not work on a product from start to finish and then start digging into another project. As the current project progresses, they plan and build up a backlog of tasks for future work. The backlog gets groomed and prioritized into a new project months before current project is finished. When the current project is finished, there is the next project waiting to take up so the developer has work and does not sit idle waiting for groomed tasks. There is a whole category of team leads/scrum masters whose job is just to keep building up the backlog, grooming the backlog into project backlogs, ensure that there is continuous work for developers and no one is sitting idle for the money they are getting paid. IT is one of the most expensive departments in any company and it costs the company a lot of $$!

The projected September release for the next Sm1 update is already kinda far between fixes (compared to some devs at least...)

It's not. Steinberg releases maybe 2 updates at most in a year to Cubasis.

Is it surprising that when there is NO development of DAW/synth apps on Android for years by any company (including Steinberg), people keep asking - why not? But when a company shows promise, wants to invest time and $$ and wants to develop for Android, people ask - why?

SM1 will not be fully ready tomorrow or next week or next month. I will evolve in a few months and we have to wait.

You say all this like there’s only one kind of dev manifesto that they all read from religiously and like all teams have the same resources. There are thousands of devs with plenty of different approaches. Look at GR16 or BM3 for example or more recently Spacecraft. Focus on one product til they nail it. And then some....

And in hardware you can compare Deluge to recent Elektron. I know which devs/companies out of those mentioned that I would instinctively trust to throw money at on release day, and which I’d be hesitant and wait it out before buying.

KV331 might have planned for SM1 for iOS the same way while they were still working on SM1 for desktop and months before finishing the desktop app - which is why we have SM1 on iOS at least now. Had they planned SM1 for iOS after finishing SM1 for desktop, we would have had it a few months from now or maybe next year. They are doing the right way.

Trust me - that's the way software development works. Any other way is just plain wrong! Spacecraft is just one dev with just one app and he could do it however he wants with/without any planning (same goes for any single dev with just one or two apps). BM3 took 3 years to develop. People are asking why BM 3.1 is delayed. It all boils down to vision, planning, organizing, time-management, backlog, priorities and a clear-cut roadmap.

Mission Statement - every business should have one clearly documented and openly communicated. Everything a business does should revolve around the mission statement and nothing else.

I can only speak as a customer and regarding the companies I trust based on the experience I have with their products/support etc. That’s what I make decisions based on, not what goes on behind the scenes

Just foresee the positive ripple effect this initiative could cause.

Let me give you a not-so-perfect analogies. 3D movies in the past were intermittent - we used to see a 3D movie and then no other 3D movies were made for years. This continued for decades until James Cameron made Avatar and proved the technology was ready for it. Peter Jackson admitted that he watched Avatar and realized the readiness of tech and made Lord of the Rings series and a slew of other 3D movies followed - Spiderman, etc. and we see so many 3D movies being made each year - there is no stopping. After Apple innovated/perfected touch screens, many touchscreen devices emerged from competitors and this has taken our generations to a whole new level of living in the cloud.

Android is a HUGE market. Music is a niche market. Availability of serious musing-making apps only on iOS currently make music even a much smaller niche market and frustrating for Android users. Android users keep asking online when these cool iOS apps would be available for them. Steinberg has shied away from Android so far. If KV331 proves Android is ready for action, a slew of other devs would follow suit and port their apps to Android. We would have so many more millions of users learning, producing and sharing music and wisdom on mobile devices that would push technology even further!

All it takes is one bold step by one dev to make that happen and in that sense, this initiative is highly commendable. Kudos to @kv331audio_bulent !!

Sorry but life’s short and money isn’t free. I can’t afford to invest time or money in a dev’s grand schemes...I’m not a shareholder. I just want solid tools, and ideally roughly around the same time as I pay for them

I think the point was that the grand scheme could benefit all of us by pushing the technology forward. You don't have to believe it, but there was no mention of shareholders.

I've enjoyed having the sounds of SynthMaster Player on the iPad, but it's always been more buggy than the average iOS synth app for me. OTOH, no problems on desktop with any of their synths, and it's nice to have SynthMaster One on iPad now. The company apparently doesn't specialize in iOS. They have some great desktop synths, so their ambitions are not focused on or limited to iOS. I'm not surprised they're looking to expand. I bought the iOS app anyway and expect I'll get my 15 bucks worth, probably way more. I'm not particularly excited about anything Android, but if it helps KV331 thrive as a company, that'll bode well for future support for all of us customers.

Yeah, I just bought this shitty coffee from a sushi bar, thia place doesn’t normally sell coffee but they also wanna open a shoe store....because I like shoes I’m meant to be excited, but today my coffee still sucks. I must be a bad human.

No need to get defensive. You don't have to like KV331 or what they're doing. Don't buy their stuff. Fine. You're offering opinions publicly, and it's a discussion about more than just you.

Erm, I already bought it... that’s what we’re talking about right? Whether branching out in numerous further directions is going to prove a good move from an ‘existing customer with issues’ POV? Wasn’t being defensive....

I already repeatedly said that I’m reserving judgement. Haven’t criticised the company about it, yet, just saying I’ve seen before where this road often leads...I’ll be stoked to read their posts about their plans to make hardware, Android, sm3 etc...after they fix up the app I already bought....if they don’t then fine but I won’t be buying from them again in a hurry.

Yes, I was referring to buying from them in the future. Ideally, I'd like them to focus just on what I want, but I can see their bigger picture. I agree, though. I haven't pushed the iOS app much yet but, hopefully, they'll get it running for everyone better soon.

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kv331audio_bulent

@Dawdles said:

@kv331audio_bulent said:
Once we sort out Android development the next step is actually building a hardware synth using Linux/Raspberry Pi

The projected September release for the next Sm1 update is already kinda far between fixes (compared to some devs at least...) and who’s to say what your attention will shift to in the meantime with all this other stuff on the table... No harm done yet so im not criticising, just reserving judgement on whether to be excited about any of this other stuff until ios sm1 has been tidied up a little better...

I didn't say we're starting android development immediately. That's planned for mid 2019-mid 2020 timeframe.

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@kv331audio_bulent said:

@Dawdles said:

@kv331audio_bulent said:
Once we sort out Android development the next step is actually building a hardware synth using Linux/Raspberry Pi

The projected September release for the next Sm1 update is already kinda far between fixes (compared to some devs at least...) and who’s to say what your attention will shift to in the meantime with all this other stuff on the table... No harm done yet so im not criticising, just reserving judgement on whether to be excited about any of this other stuff until ios sm1 has been tidied up a little better...

I didn't say we're starting android development immediately. That's planned for mid 2019-mid 2020 timeframe.

Perhaps people aren’t accustomed to long term planning being revealed by a company these days ☺️

lovadamusic

@Dawdles said:

@lovadamusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@lovadamusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@lovadamusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@MobileMusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@MobileMusic said:

@Dawdles said:

@MobileMusic said:

@Beathoven said:

@Dawdles said:

@kv331audio_bulent said:
Once we sort out Android development the next step is actually building a hardware synth using Linux/Raspberry Pi

I find it hard to get hyped when companies say ‘we’re doing this thing (android), and that thing(sm3), and another thing(hardware)..’.When their current products have some major issues. Reminds me of recent Elektron...Great approach for stockholders, Not so great for recent customers. Hopefully you guys are a big enough team to juggle it all though People will stop buying from a company if they have a rep for moving priority on from one product too quickly to the next. At least buying on release...I’ll never pre-order another Elektron box. I’ll wait it out for at least a year and see how things go....
The projected September release for the next Sm1 update is already kinda far between fixes (compared to some devs at least...) and who’s to say what your attention will shift to in the meantime with all this other stuff on the table... No harm done yet so im not criticising, just reserving judgement on whether to be excited about any of this other stuff until ios sm1 has been tidied up a little better...

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Still so much to fix on current platforms without aiming at new platforms and then hardware. Please don’t take your eye off the ball, KV331.

It is building up a backlog to work on later. In software development, people do not work on a product from start to finish and then start digging into another project. As the current project progresses, they plan and build up a backlog of tasks for future work. The backlog gets groomed and prioritized into a new project months before current project is finished. When the current project is finished, there is the next project waiting to take up so the developer has work and does not sit idle waiting for groomed tasks. There is a whole category of team leads/scrum masters whose job is just to keep building up the backlog, grooming the backlog into project backlogs, ensure that there is continuous work for developers and no one is sitting idle for the money they are getting paid. IT is one of the most expensive departments in any company and it costs the company a lot of $$!

The projected September release for the next Sm1 update is already kinda far between fixes (compared to some devs at least...)

It's not. Steinberg releases maybe 2 updates at most in a year to Cubasis.

Is it surprising that when there is NO development of DAW/synth apps on Android for years by any company (including Steinberg), people keep asking - why not? But when a company shows promise, wants to invest time and $$ and wants to develop for Android, people ask - why?

SM1 will not be fully ready tomorrow or next week or next month. I will evolve in a few months and we have to wait.

You say all this like there’s only one kind of dev manifesto that they all read from religiously and like all teams have the same resources. There are thousands of devs with plenty of different approaches. Look at GR16 or BM3 for example or more recently Spacecraft. Focus on one product til they nail it. And then some....

And in hardware you can compare Deluge to recent Elektron. I know which devs/companies out of those mentioned that I would instinctively trust to throw money at on release day, and which I’d be hesitant and wait it out before buying.

KV331 might have planned for SM1 for iOS the same way while they were still working on SM1 for desktop and months before finishing the desktop app - which is why we have SM1 on iOS at least now. Had they planned SM1 for iOS after finishing SM1 for desktop, we would have had it a few months from now or maybe next year. They are doing the right way.

Trust me - that's the way software development works. Any other way is just plain wrong! Spacecraft is just one dev with just one app and he could do it however he wants with/without any planning (same goes for any single dev with just one or two apps). BM3 took 3 years to develop. People are asking why BM 3.1 is delayed. It all boils down to vision, planning, organizing, time-management, backlog, priorities and a clear-cut roadmap.

Mission Statement - every business should have one clearly documented and openly communicated. Everything a business does should revolve around the mission statement and nothing else.

I can only speak as a customer and regarding the companies I trust based on the experience I have with their products/support etc. That’s what I make decisions based on, not what goes on behind the scenes

Just foresee the positive ripple effect this initiative could cause.

Let me give you a not-so-perfect analogies. 3D movies in the past were intermittent - we used to see a 3D movie and then no other 3D movies were made for years. This continued for decades until James Cameron made Avatar and proved the technology was ready for it. Peter Jackson admitted that he watched Avatar and realized the readiness of tech and made Lord of the Rings series and a slew of other 3D movies followed - Spiderman, etc. and we see so many 3D movies being made each year - there is no stopping. After Apple innovated/perfected touch screens, many touchscreen devices emerged from competitors and this has taken our generations to a whole new level of living in the cloud.

Android is a HUGE market. Music is a niche market. Availability of serious musing-making apps only on iOS currently make music even a much smaller niche market and frustrating for Android users. Android users keep asking online when these cool iOS apps would be available for them. Steinberg has shied away from Android so far. If KV331 proves Android is ready for action, a slew of other devs would follow suit and port their apps to Android. We would have so many more millions of users learning, producing and sharing music and wisdom on mobile devices that would push technology even further!

All it takes is one bold step by one dev to make that happen and in that sense, this initiative is highly commendable. Kudos to @kv331audio_bulent !!

Sorry but life’s short and money isn’t free. I can’t afford to invest time or money in a dev’s grand schemes...I’m not a shareholder. I just want solid tools, and ideally roughly around the same time as I pay for them

I think the point was that the grand scheme could benefit all of us by pushing the technology forward. You don't have to believe it, but there was no mention of shareholders.

I've enjoyed having the sounds of SynthMaster Player on the iPad, but it's always been more buggy than the average iOS synth app for me. OTOH, no problems on desktop with any of their synths, and it's nice to have SynthMaster One on iPad now. The company apparently doesn't specialize in iOS. They have some great desktop synths, so their ambitions are not focused on or limited to iOS. I'm not surprised they're looking to expand. I bought the iOS app anyway and expect I'll get my 15 bucks worth, probably way more. I'm not particularly excited about anything Android, but if it helps KV331 thrive as a company, that'll bode well for future support for all of us customers.

Yeah, I just bought this shitty coffee from a sushi bar, thia place doesn’t normally sell coffee but they also wanna open a shoe store....because I like shoes I’m meant to be excited, but today my coffee still sucks. I must be a bad human.

No need to get defensive. You don't have to like KV331 or what they're doing. Don't buy their stuff. Fine. You're offering opinions publicly, and it's a discussion about more than just you.

Erm, I already bought it... that’s what we’re talking about right? Whether branching out in numerous further directions is going to prove a good move from an ‘existing customer with issues’ POV? Wasn’t being defensive....

I already repeatedly said that I’m reserving judgement. Haven’t criticised the company about it, yet, just saying I’ve seen before where this road often leads...I’ll be stoked to read their posts about their plans to make hardware, Android, sm3 etc...after they fix up the app I already bought....if they don’t then fine but I won’t be buying from them again in a hurry.

Yes, I was referring to buying from them in the future. Ideally, I'd like them to focus just on what I want, but I can see their bigger picture. I agree, though. I haven't pushed the iOS app much yet but, hopefully, they'll get it running for everyone better soon.

I don’t want any dev to ‘focus just on what I want’. Just focus on what we all just bought.....I know that isn’t always possible, but don’t expect users to get excited about some new hardware or alt platforms you’re planning down the road when lots of users have issues with your most recent product. That was my point...

Was anyone asking you to be excited about it? This wasn't a thread about SM1. A dev can't talk about some future plans without you turning it into yet another gripefest.

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Remember, even Steve Balmer was mistaken about the iPhone and literally mocked at it (like an illiterate he is). What's even worse is - it took over a decade for him to officially admit that he was mistaken about it. That's even worse!

He's just crazy

Cocaine, cocaine everywhere...

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@Dawdles said:
Erm, yeah I’d say any kind of ‘and we have this new hardware planned too’ info leak by a dev is ‘asking’ for an excited response.

I shared this android development news because I wondered if anyone cares about Android these days (It has a very small market for music making apps). It's still an area we're exploring and we're hesitant to enter into that market.

BTW, If I wanted excitement I'd have released a new update for SM1

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