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Beatstep Pro Users: What am I getting into?
At this point the fever has turned into a full on case of BSP Geargas. I've been reading the manual, watched every video a few times, and can envision it being the core setup of my iPad Battlestation. Currently running 3 iPads, (One 2nd and 2 3rd generation iPads) and they are each in docks (One Alesis and 2 Behringers, respectively.) The space is cleared, the wires are in place, and I want to pull the trigger.
How shall I go about MIDI? Can I (and should I) run each of the three programming sections out of the MIDI hardware output into these machines using a midi splitter? Can I (and should I) run MIDI out of the microUSB into a USB hub and then to the three iPads? OR should I (Can I) do a combination of MIDI/USB outs to Mission Control? Basically, I don't know how directing MIDI out of the BSP to an iPad dock works, and whether multiple iPads will handle it correctly.
I sold all my hardware samplers to convert to an iPad battlestation, and I couldn't be happier. (Plus, all those samples are more fun to program in Patterning anyway) The amount of inspiration and energy that I get from working with such pliable apps as Samplr, Patterning and Egoist is worth the conversion from an all-hardware setup.
+I'll add that I want to use the BSP mainly as a tempo source, a drum programmer for Elastic Drums, and a synth source for Cyclob, Moog, Gadget, Elsa, and others. Running iOS 8...
Anyway, tell me anything you know about the Pitfalls and minor difficulties of working with the BSP. I thank you in advance...
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You try it?
@crzycrs said:
You try it?
Never touched the BSP. Haven't ordered it yet, wanted to see if there were any users with words of wisdom or warnings of weirdness. (Alliteration Points : 4 (minus 5 for trying too hard) ...total points : -1 )
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(sigh) ... I knew it.
I run the BSP using the MIDI port and powering the BSP using a USB phone charger. The MIDI then runs into my Pro 2 then from the Pro 2 MIDI thru into the Ipad to run 2 x sequences and drums. I have incorporated a MIDI merger box between the Pro 2 and ipad so I can also play polysynths or whatever from my MIDI keyboard. All works well BSP starts / stops all the various sequencers including the Pro 2's and stays in sync. I am about to introduce a MFB Dominion 1 into the MIDI flow so hoping all keeps working. Have a MIDI splitter I can use if MIDI starts getting messy.
Strangely when I try to run same set up but running through ipad first no signal reaches the Pro 2 (using MIDI thru from a iRig MIDI).
On the actual BSP itself the fact when changing from one sequence to another it does not finish the current sequence and there is no song mode, you can't queue sequences are big let downs. However, did spot on the Arturia BSP forum that Arturia are def working on a fix for this. Once this is done then what is a fun toy will become much more of a serious compositional tool, live and in the studio.
I'd go BSP din out to a midi splitter that fed all three docks via DIN in. That way you can keep everything charged. Just set the respective apps on each iPad to exclusive MIDI channels.
This is what I was going to do. I have been running 1 into 2 & 3 (midi splitter is 2x2, but I do have a 1x4) and setting channels accordingly, and it works fine. But I also was thinking of having the BSP run MIDI DIN to 2 & 3, and USB to 1. That way I could still use the 1st iPad to also run MIDI out with TC-Data and such occasionally. Can you run MIDI Din to one source and USB to another at the same time with the BSP (lets say drums via USB and the two synth parts via MIDI) ?
Again, thanks for the brainstorming Syrupcore.
And thank you for the reassurance that it works, Lurcher.
I should clarify that in my post where I wrote MIDI I was meaning MIDI DIN (not MIDI USB).
Something you may need to consider is I think (and I am not sure of this so feel free to put me right) that if you run MIDI USB to the iPad there is not enough power to turn on the BSP. You can certainly run the USB & DIN MIDI at the same time so long as the BSP is powered.
I got the MIDI Din part and will power the BSP with an external power supply.
Still wondering if I can send Drum Data via USB and Synth Data via DIN from the BSP at the same time. Thanks again.
Port Control: Just download the manual from the Arturia site. You have MIDI port control for each sequencer (USB, MIDI or USB&MIDI).
Power: You're going to want to use the ground loop adapter (one side power, other side data) anyway to ensure there is no ground loop happening. Also in the manual.
If i was to use the bsp to record a midi keyboard performance, how many beats of live playing input could I achieve, i.e. can I use it as a midi loop recorder for 3 or 4 midi tracks over say 16 beats? Or am I completely out of sync (pretty possible) ?
It's two monophonic sequencer tracks + plus a drum track (polyphonic but limited to 16 fixed notes). Sequences can be up to 4 measures in length but I'm pretty sure they will be quantized to 16th notes.
SC, thanks, hey, is there such a thing, for getting multiple takes with midi, like on an arranger keyboard, record some playing, and overdub it?
This is what's really interesting about the circuit. It seems it has off grid midi with nudge and swing plus two poly sequences.. And it runs on batteries
I can imagine a circuit with a volca keys and another small poly synth would be great fun
I think the Electribe 2s support loop based overdubbing. I've never used an arranger keyboard so I'm not sure if it's similar.
Yeah, electribe 2s. And beatstep pro - objects of desire (and financially unreachable) for me at this point in time ...
To be honest, I think I haven't had contact with a true arranger keyboard either, just a very cheapo yamaha psrsmthg, no velocity sensitivity but a midi record section with some banks, free play and chords to be saved and loaded per tape;) Interestingly it functioned pretty well with the beathawk concept.
The new electribes don't support midi pass thru so you cannot play a midi keyboard to trigger an app and keep it playing.. One of the biggest missed opurtunities with the new tribes
Yeah, a big bummer. A little MIDI routing will make it workable (there's another thread here about it) but it does seem like a totally obvious omission.
Well I just received my BSP yesterday and love it...FUN:D
What is nice about it is that when I open AS and load apps into it and use clock from BSP, everything runs great and in sync. (apps that can be synced that is)
I am really starting to discover BSP, reading the manual as I twiddle...
I use it only with iPad, and one difficulty I ran into was finding a drum machine that can be slaved, can be externally sequenced and has (hopefully) 16 pads....and the winner is: DIODE-108...from conventional "sequenced" type machines. Some DMs will not get triggered...
DIODE-108 is great, mapped to BSP's pads in few seconds, loaded kit, bingo:)
Another nice thing is that I can plug BSP into a small battery pack, (RavPower 16000mA) and BSP ran all evening and was still basically full after ~3 hours of use. (iPad uses its battery)
So to answer your original question @flightmanual, hopefully a lot of fun and creativity with less midi hassles in iPad;-)