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Laptop VS Ipad pro – Viewer question – haQ VLog 40
Laptop VS Ipad pro, or iPad’s in general. A question asked by viewer Charles Telerant. Since its a hot topic, I have a feeling that LOT of you, have a LOT to say about it. So let the comments flow, share your opinions and experiences with us all.
LINK: http://thesoundtestroom.com/laptop-vs-ipad-pro/
Comments
For me a big part of the equation is ergonomics. It would be great to use a PC DAW on the train but the table is a little squishy for a mouse. http://www.robertdall.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/WestCoastExpress-Seats.jpg
So I dump everying to a PC DAW at home on the weekends. Best of both worlds! Plus I LOVE walking down the street and in the park etc. while playing on my ipad.
i would think it was awesome to go over to my friends house and mess with their iPad pro. I would be horrified to go to a recording studio and find an iPad pro was being used for all of the recording.
The Surface Book f.e. has all kinds of input you would need. Mouse, Trackpad, Multi Touch etc.
FL-Studio and Bitwig (and a few others) started to use all this input options. This will grow for sure in the future too. I really liked when Bitwig wrotes "we are ready for multi touch on OSX, when apple will be too".
Still don´t see a real VS. since it´s just like guitar or piano.... everyone have another taste.
For mobile producing..... nothing beats the iPhone yet
Just found that info interesting. The video too:
http://www.bitwig.com/en/bitwig_1_3/surface.html
Bitwig for iPad pro would be nice too but i doubt they will do.....
I just find it easier to work with the iPad than a laptop. As I am still using an iPad 2, I will for sure be an early adopter of the Pro! (For graphics stuff as well as music).
I just tried Bitwig 1.3 on my sons surface 3 and I love it, works smooth as ever, would be interested to see what other Apps do the same.
@AudioGus Portability is one of the biggest reasons why I love doing stuff with iPad and iPhone too.
As you say, walking through a park, while fingering some music on a pad, is for me an unbeatable experience. I'm free in choosing my creative environment.
@Processaurus Feel free to elaborate on that. Why would you be horrified?
@Cinebient That's a good point. I/O's.
With iPad and iPhone I've always felt there are too few Ins and outs. Then again the only thing I've needed is one USB port. But if there where more USB ports, I'd probably end up using them.
@PhilW I'm curious to why you find it easier working on an iPad than a laptop? Feel free to elaborate on it.
@djjuniorpops I tried a Surface 3 not so long ago myself. It's pretty cool, sleek design and nice with the combined keyboard-cover.
I could definitely work with one, but I wouldn't carry it with me. I find the normal sized iPads to be too large. The surface in comparison is huge. It's laptop sized with the keyboard folded out. If I had one it wouldn't leave the studio LoL! =D
It's partly the touch interface, which allows more innovative ways to create music - so not only multi-touch keyboards but interfaces like the iFretless series and Geo, and strumming like Guitarism, etc. All of which helps add expression to the music. It is also convenience - with a laptop, I'd have to plug in an audio interface and a keyboard and headphones or speakers, with an iPad you just pick it up and you're good to go. I also seem to get more issues with laptops, maybe that is Windows (I don't have a Mac) but for the most part, stuff on the iPad just works (but I agree there are sometimes limitations). Plus apps are a fraction of the cost! So it is probably a combination of factors.
For me will be better a laptop because the ipad pro is sooo BIG and expensive and instead of think in produce music i'll be thinking in not to drop the ipad pro to the floor or crash it with any other object.
and my laptop is more easy to carry on and better for music well no better is more complete for me.
I feel the same way, I would have a surface tablet right now if they weren't so big. when it comes to tablets I want something small but powerful, it doesn't look like apple is going to provide that with the iPad pro anytime soon.
This is why I use an ipad
Ha.... you even can't get your smartphone out of your pocket
I hate bus and train so much.....
I see me more to use a mobile device on top of a mountain, no humans, just nature. Never could wrote 3 notes while sitting at starbucks
I love mobile devices but never made a track outside. Field recordings is another thing.
both laptop and tablet, Windows and iOS, have their advantages.
If I buy an iPad pro, then for the following reasons:
-all apps are optimised for touch screens. There are a few exceptions, mostly software that was ported from PC to iPad.
-more CPU and RAM. I'm on iPads 2nd and 4th generation, and there are some apps that really need more processing power.
-Lemur! Lemur on a bigger screen is something I want since long time. I was looking for a big sized Android tablet, but they aren't cheap either. Android TV box + multitouch monitor seems to work and is an affordable solution, but I'm not sure about the CPU. Advanced Lemur templates with canvas elements are demanding as well.
-I'm also an ArtRage user. Working with virtual oil paint is fun with the recent Wacom stylus which has a small tip. But my iPad4 has a broken glass, and the screen size is a little bit too small. I would like to have a slightly bigger screen so that I don't have to zoom in and out so often.
A Windows Surface, especially version 4, would be nice as well. Advantages:
-run professional music, graphic, video editing software
-USB3
But it costs very much, and most software is not optimised for touch screens. I have a cheap Asus T100 tablet, and its multitouch monitor is hardly ever used. Most of the time it is used as a netbook with keyboard attached, together with a trackball for navigating. Works good, but not really comfortable when traveling. When I use the T100 as tablet only, it's for reading ebooks. Then I use the multitouch monitor, although only with one (scrolling) or two fingers (zooming). Too bad there isn't a good OSC/MIDI controller software like Lemur running on Windows. This would change my attitude.
In conclusion, I might go for an iPad pro. It appears to give me much for that lot of money. But I'm not sure yet. There may be new software developments in the next months, similar to Bitwig, and I might save some money with a second hand Surface 3.
But I admit, these are luxury problems. What I have is already good. On a lonely island, with a solar panel, I'd be completely happy with what I got.
I'm an iOS music fanatic, don't get me wrong, but the stability and depth of serious type audio production software isn't nearly as mature as where it is on a laptop (thinking OSX) Any time I try to get in depth with something I run into more and more problems in iOS- midi sync, midi routing, things losing their sync, things not making sound, interface doesn't get recognized sometimes, things crash on a daily basis, no file system, etc. Despite having collected all these cool synths, sequencers, and effects, it was a relief to use closed environments like gadget for sequencing songs, because I knew when I saved something I could get it back, rather than maybe. Hopefully the AU thing and having a host DAW to manage projects will fix that, and sync issues in iOS, but its just a promise at this point.
Also an iPad is not as fast as a laptop. And it only has one, nonstandard plug for everything in the world you need to plug in. MIDI controllers, audio interface, most will need hokey, precious adapters. A second monitor? Want to burn a CD? put something on a memory stick? Back up to an external hard drive?
None of this stops me from using the iPad all of the time, as an awesome keyboard/sampler/drum machine, sound making widget, but makes it troubling and a distant second choice for basing a general purpose studio around, that required any sort of reliability or in depth production.
I do think it would be a fine choice for many types of musicians, especially traveling types, just not engineers, trying to do their best work.
yah the only aspect of the Pro that really appeals to me is the pressure sensitive kick ass pencil. I do love artrage and procreate but for the price of the pro I am just tempted to go PC and have photoshop and mudbox etc.
iPad for fun, desktop for pro sound. When you get a iPad that has the power of a desktop then that's when it gets serious. I think Microsoft are ahead of the curve on this - the surface pro series (3 and upwards) beat the iPad and I guess the iPad pro too for power and access to pro level software. If Apple don't wake up to this soon, they will hand the iOS music market to Microsoft. Of course I might be wrong
Fingering of the surface wouldn't be as sexy with a laptop, don't you think Jakob?
The touch interface made me see iPad as a musical instrument which is something I would never say of a laptop.
NOTE to everyone!
I'm having a hard time keeping up with the comments! I just wanted you all to know that I'm reading every comment and I will be making a vlog where I read some of them.
I'm receiving words of wisdom on the topic by mail, YouTube, FaceBook and thesoundtestroom. We are reaching over 100 comments now!
You are all awesome!
I must totally agree! F.e. tools like the new "Falcon" by UVI will never be possible on an iPad but on a laptop or surface tablet hybrid.
I also think apple must offer more before windows grow up the mobile music market in the pro buisness
For me a notebook/laptop is as much an instrument like my iPad i had. I even found it more easy to play midi notes and key switches on my macbook keyboard rather than the small virtual keys on an iPad.
But how i said..... it's just still a matter of taste and prefered workflow.
I will go the iPhone and notebook (or surface) route until apple make a real pro multi touch device
I'm sure most major DAW's will make a multi touch version in near future because they have to compete with those which still have done it.
In a few years Logic might be the only non multi touch major DAW
Edit: The only iOS software these days i like to use and i really cannot replace with any desktop software yet is the mighty Mitosynth with this awesome way to modulate modulators which are modulated my modulated modulators etc. Also i searched and didn´t find a software which can blend 32 sound sources the way Mitosynth can do.
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I love it really but at the same time i would die for an OSX version since it felt wasted on iOS sometimes due to ram and cpu limits. At least a crossplatform thing would be great. When i win the lottery i will pay wooji juice for it
@audiogus::What size iPad do you have? I'd love to walk around and play like that...I'm guessing an iPad mini?
I do have a mini but it doesnt have much space and I found the buttons a bit small for walking around so i mostly use my air and kind of hold it like if you turned a shield the other way around. Hmmmm, i wonder if there are wrist straps for ipads... Hmmm...
Awww, how dare they tease me with this! http://www.amazon.ca/Prank-Pack-PP401008-Iarm/dp/B005UEW6QM
those are pretty funny.