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I pulled a trigger on KMI Quneo
Just been wondering if anyone has any useful tips regarding the use of quneo with the iPad. I don't have it yet but any heads up are appreciated. This seems like an amazingly well featured controller so I'm really looking forward to messing about with it.
I'm also hearing that there's some potential reliability issues which I'd love to hear your opinions about. Cheers
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I've thought about getting one, since I love the QuNexus. I'd love to hear other's thoughts on it as well. My biggest complaint is the lack of an iOS editor.
I'm using a quneo for quad-mixing (for my iPad-sounds going into the Mac). It's true, still no Editor for ios, but it's possible having the device connected to the mac and wirelessly sending the needed midi commands to an iPad , I do this all the time with my softstep pedal, inside Logic (this way you can always use the Computereditor for fast changes in the setup, while still controlling idevices). The Quneo always works perfectly, I never had any kind of problem with it, and will most likely keep bying everything KMI ever releases (next up: the long awaited K-Mix!!!!!). You'll have lots of fun, cheers, t
I'm not too bothered by the lack of the editor, mainly because I'm more than happy to do the pc editing if it is only once in a while.
I bought it on a whim as there was one going on eBay for £80 with no other bidders. Only just before bidding I watched some YT reviews and was blown out by the fact that each drum pad sends x/y values as well as pressure. That must feel great to be able to change 3 values in one movement of a finger. I can see that being super useful with Turnado and sunrizer which is my live synth. It will be a massive improvement over the ageing LPD8.
Thanks for your feedback @animal
I've had mine for 2 years, and have been using with my iPad for the last year. No real limitations or compatibility issues with iOS, and no reliability issues.
The PC editor is a bit utilitarian, but works. I'm on Windows, which still has a class compliant driver issue that keeps me from being able to monitor while I edit (PITA), but as @animal states, not a problem on a Mac. I beleive it's also limited to Midi channel 1 for preset changes.
It was for sale recently for half price....
So the great Quneo is here!...but I'm rather underwhelmed. I'm really wanting to like it but despite the great looks, sexy lights and all the touchy surfaces it doesn't quite bring the smile to my face. I have to say I really like the feel of the pads for drumming but that's about it. I've tried assigning sliders and x/y's to turnado but they are all jumpy and out of control. Having the corners controlling 4 different things feels rather 'micro' at home so I wouldn't risk it live. The sliders need more pressure than expected to be accurate and even then they are (IMO) poor relatives to proper knobs.
I don't know, I'll definitely keep it for a couple of weeks and see if I can tweak the hell out of the settings (sensitivity) but I'm not being optimistic. Will report back if anyone's interested but please do inundate me with suggestions how to get more out of it @animal @rad3d
Actually, I think your findings aren't too far off, though I eventually got better at dealing with the feel of the surface. You have to strike a balance between heavy enough to trigger, light enough to slide.
I only use the sliders for some crude mix settings right now, but I've gotten pretty familiar with pad pressure and XY in performance. But I've also never been able to make the 4 corners work for me live.
It's not the pinnacle of controllers, but for what I use it for, nothing else can replace it's configurability. I use it for anything from midi clip launching to percussion to 2 finger synth lead playing (still have hold my guitar pick sometimes), and just appreciate the flexibility and durability of it. May not be for everyone, though.
After half a day with the editor things are a bit better. I decided to disable all of the pressure settings as it was doing my head in when midi-learning. Zeroing sliders gets a bit fiddly but I guess that's a question of getting used to them. Now I'm battling with binding pads to loopy. It ain't going smooth
I find the editor a bit mind numbing. Love the control, but they really need to hire a ui guy for all of their editors. I think I'd find it quicker to edit the xml preset files directly sometimes...
There's defo a lot going on in Quneo so th worst thing would be to have a shitty editor. Well, I don't think the editor is that bad but at least they should have made a proper 30mins video tutorial explaining all in baby steps/language. I also think that disabling all of the pressure and x/y's and trying things one at a time helps. At least it helped me with midi binding as I managed to crash loopy several times in a row with all the midi messages coming in at once.
I'd appreciate the ability to copy and paste 1 button to the whole button group instead only a single button. Maybe an ability to select specific params from one button to others so I can, for example, copy pressure settings without overwriting note values.
Of course, it's like my Dad always told me - "you can't have everything"...
Although I don't have one, here are some links to presets. I think the great @otem_rellik might have some too.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/7592/beathawk-quneo-template-by-sinapsya
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/6783/quneo-template-for-egoist
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/1477/impc-quneo-template-from-sinapsya
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/7294/video-guitarcapo-and-a-quneo
Cool, thanks @TGiG. For the moment I figured out all of the things I wanted it to do that were done by lpd8. When I have more time I'll try and mess around with more crazy things this thing can do. It sure is nice to have loads of controls to assign to less obvious stuff in turnado.
I'm sorry to hear you're not that impressed..., never really needed the 4cornerthingie, so I wouldn't know. Concerning the Fader-zeroing, I found it takes a little extra press-and-pull-down at the end, otherwise it might not actually go to zero..., but I really like the possibility to just press at top (or bottom) of the fader for a fast off/on. I'm using the pads for effectbypass and eq-filtering (xy), which works great for me, faders are faders inside logic and bus-sends (for the different speakers). I vould easily give you a piece of my Enthusiasm, it has MAGNITUDE!! for the KMIguys... . I wish much better experiences to come for you, cheers, t
Nah, it's all good @animal that was the first impression. Once pressure and x/y were off I was able to do exactly what I wanted. I will just need to get used to it. Yes you're right about being able to go straight to the value you want.
It doesn't quite fit flush on my custom stand/box but I guess it was made for my akai controllers.
The journey continues...
I agree it's a great and unique controller. I've gone through the same experience like the OP and others. At first it was only a trigger pad for drum sounds for me. Tried to do more with custom presets and the faders/buttons, but in the end my QuNeo was being unused for about a year.
Then I got a clever little Eurorack module with MIDI input and 16 assignable CV outputs. Used that one first with portable pressure sensitive keyboards. While watching Buchla videos which I do often I thought the "Multi-Dimensional Kinesthetic Input" is one of the best controllers available. I started to create a Lemur template, but then I realised that the QuNeo is actually the better solution. And it is. Because you can play very fast notes and at the same time influence tone and character with pressure and velocity. Instant ideas and improvisations occur from itself while you're hammering on pads or caressing the rotaries and faders. It's sturdy, so you can really treat it with force. Because it's not a full drum set one might hesitate a bit. You can go real crazy with this thing, it's built for that.
I also don't use the x-y option of the pads, only note numbers, velocity, and pressure (set to the same CC on all pads). I might make use of x-y for each pad later, so far it's enough to have three parameters.
Put the finger(s) on the faders and wiggle slightly with one hand while triggering notes and events with the other hand. Or, as mentioned before, sudden changes with a single finger press. Make meaningful assignments to your software or hardware. That is probably the most difficult part. Even with a simple iPad x-y controller app, how do you map these two parameters in a meaningful way to a synth for expressive performance or recording? Filter cutoff and resonance is not always the best idea; actually rarely a good idea. How do you map dozens of parameters? It's difficult to find out a good mapping, and it is again time/nerve consuming to do the programming of controller editors and receiver synths.
I believe this is the main barrier we (or most of us) have. The tools are here, the controlling options are here, but we often don't know how to combine these great things. The QuNeo is a very good example for me. It can collect dust on a shelf, or it can be used in the best way.
A solution can be found rather easily if one understands the synthesiser in all its aspects very well. This is easier with modular systems because you learn quite fast what you need and what you want. With apps and softsynths it is more difficult because there is no open architecture. This is the reason why it was a special collection of hardware modules that brought me back to QuNeo as a performance controller. Otherwise it would have possibly remained only as a trigger pad.
By the way, here's a good example of the Buchla 223e Multi-Dimensional Kinesthetic Input by Giorgio Sancristoforo (sound is from MAX/MSP, not the Buchla). Variations on Incontri di Fasce Sonore:
Wow, cool @Phil999. I'm definitely up for exploring the expressive potential of Quneo. I definitely love the responsiveness of the pads so it only makes sense to explore pressure and x/y to augment that. So far I've only experienced that kind of thing with Impaktor triggered by an epad and it's amazing but still quite limited. Would you be able to recommend an iOS app that would allow me to do percussive stuff in that way? I've tried with Beatmaker 2's sampler but the sound edit doesn't quite lend itself to what I'm trying to do. I'm currently fiddling with diode but I guess ideally it should be a drum synth with midi learnable knobs. Elastic drums looks like something I'll try next. Suggestions most welcome though.
I don't have drum apps (except beat box emulations and Patterning), so I can't recommend one.
Sample libraries with many layers and round robin are good of course.
@supadom, forget Diode-108, I have been pestering them about repairing the broken midi.
The best apps that I have are iElectribe and the new DrumPerfectPRO (DPP), that I am beta testing.
It will be (probably) the best drum machine for jamming with extensive midi functions, etc...but as a beta tester.....my lips are sealed;)
Oh dear, dear. I’ve sold that quneo a while back but just pulled a trigger on another one! Shock and horror!
Fortunately now I have Drambo to hook it up to. We’ll keep you posted.