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Over the years I've introduced many people to iOS music apps, so many that I cannot count, easily over 100 I think
The fact is that a hell of a lot of people cannot envision that an iPhone, iPad or even iPod touch can be used professionally, but when they see it in action, they change their opinion fast.
So, today I was at a tattoo shop getting some art done on my arm, got talking with them, and we gravitated towards music. Turns out one guy was a DJ who was looking to produce but was scared on daw and vst prices. As well as the learning curve required..
I divulged i produce and DJ on an iPad mini retina and he was sceptical, told him to drag up my sound loud on the shops laptop and he blasted out my tunes. Because he mixes house at clubs, he was astonished but still didn't believe an iPad mini could do that.
So I took out my iPad mini, showed him gadget and played him a track I'm working on and then did a few minutes creating a bit more to it while he watched incredulous..
He has an iPad Air 1st and today he purchased gadget and Audioshare right before my eyes
So, please share any experiences you have had..I do believe showing face to face is a very powerful method to show people the validity and power of these apps !
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If I knew more people who were interested in music production I'd be super keen and excited to show them some music apps - I feel so passionate about all the cool things that can be done with 1 iPad (or iPhone) and a few bucks worth of apps - I want to share the love so to speak. As it is I've only had the opportunity to demonstrate this to 2 people who were more just semi interested in music production. But both of them got very excited after only a short 15-20 minute demonstration...
There's a Abelton certified DJ/production school here and I've even been toying with the idea of offering my services to teach a free "intro to iOS music" type 1 hour session for their students. But that would probably eat up more of my time than I'm willing right now...
But I agree - many people don't think the production capabilities are "professional" enough on iOS. I work with a guy who produces more rock flavoured music and records audio into Logic on a Mac - has some hardware - and an iPad in which he's tried a few apps ... But I get the feeling he still thinks of the iPad and music apps more as "toys" or not serious enough.
I host a monthly jam at my house. I have a good deal of gear, so I've told all my buddies they don't need to bring much, and most avail themselves of what I have. It's been going on for roughly 2 years now. Some have started to become more interested in the gear lately, so I've shown them the audio interface (Akai EIE red) that serves as a focal point, my iPad, various apps (Auria, Cubasis, a variety of drum apps (triggered from the Alesis DM5), several effects apps, etc.) and the response has been pretty consistent...disbelief that iOS is that capable. It's great to see the reactions and several have gone out and bought some of the apps.
We gripe from time to time about the pitfalls, and there are other options available, but I love where we're at and what can be done with the prices and the hardware footprint that is iOS. Still looking forward to where it can go, but for now I'd rather focus on what can be done with what we have now.
Cool..
Yet if they tried it for themselves they might change their mind
I don't think it's about converting people who use desktop or hardware, for those people it can be complimentary to their existing set up if they own iOS devices
My focus is on helping people who would like to get started with production, or even digital art at an affordable price
For £300 you can get an iPad mini retina, decent headphones and quite a few apps..most can afford that and be well on their way to a creative life
I've met people in parks and buses, wondering what I was doing so absorbed with headphones on
As far as the "pros" go, there's a certain level of ego that needs bypassed in order to at least show them
Very cool!
But I fail to see any pitfalls with iOS
Many talk on here about some apps limitations like gadget not having audio tracks, global eq ..apps not working well together in AB etc
My approach is just to chose key apps and work with them.
The beauty of iOS is that the only limitation is our imagination..and that's why AB has been so well received coz of the sheer combinations of apps available
Even within gadget, I see no limitations really, it's about crafting and combining with joy and creative vigour
Like you, I'm happy with iOS now, as far as where it will go, it's just about faster processing power really . It's a given that any kind of app or virtual instrument is most conveniently accessed via touchscreen
We need more gadgets, nanostudio 2, beat maker 3, maybe more unique standalone apps like that, but these are few and far between, it's all fx and synths these days.
For some reason, developers don't want to create fully featured apps, I mean look at Auria pro, it's still a myth, why? Cause they are trying to import desktop sensibilities into iOS
That's not what iOS is for, bring too much desktop into iOS, it will get lost in translation
iOS is really about immediacy and simplicity..yet the results can be just as profound as any other..
Nice positive post Touch.
Have to say I agree with a lot of your points. Keep it simple and get on with it.
Very brave, not sure I'd want to distract my tattoo artist mid-job
I've had a few meetings/talks/sessions with not so "convincable" people from the area, Musicians and Improvisers, of which all where fascinated by the fastness and intuitiveness of my setup, but somehow all of them managed to keep their opinion, that ios just can't be more than a toy... . The thing with "Professionals" seems to be, they hardly ever can accept anything other than their own gorgeous setup/instrument as "serious" (that is, until somebody gets real famous with it...), early days, I guess.
I kinda stopped trying to convince anyone, it's too much my Euphoria crashing against a wall of "professionalism".
Good luck, though to everyone having more positive communications here, it's nice to share...
Several members of two bands I was involved in rushed out to buy iPads after they saw mine in action. One is on the long waiting list for a hardware VCS3 and loved the iOS version. A mate visiting from Australia was blown away too.
I guess most people don't get to see a proper AB app/FX/recording chain unless they know an iOS boffin like one of us lot.
Thanx..it's true..
The simplicity yet immediacy of iOS is unprecedented..
Take thumb jam for example..such a joy..
Lol, it was only a small tattoo this time, we had a great time despite the smell of a certain "incense " in the air...
Prove them wrong..let them hear the pro results on soundcloud..there's plenty now from across the board..
Very cool! Thanks for sharing that
Hehe i love that moment of showing Gadget to a sceptic when the bent eyebrow and smirk turns to upturned eyebrows and pinhole mouth.
i showed my roommate the things i did/do with samplr and it convinced him to buy an ipad
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As I wrote on another forum about claims that "professional" production needs raw desktop power: What do you need all that “raw power” for? The ipad mini 4 I hold in my hands with ios 9 easily has more “power” than those huge 100 wide studio boards, and desktop DAWS, of just the recent past. Reminds me of those oldie goldie hot rod guys who crawl out of their garages and get together every year for a weekend to blacken our skies, show off their rumbling chrome V8s, and rev them up a few times so they can hear them without their hearing aids. I don’t get it.
some programs are rather heavy on processing power. i used elastic drums the other day through tap delay and it was crackling unless i turned the sample rate up to 1024, on an ipad air 1! also i'd love to be able to reliably use lower sample rates, those are a must if you're trying to, say, beat repeat a drum machine with a turnado effect. 512 samples throws you off big time.
i mean i guess if you're freezing tracks / not doing stuff in real-time then it's not too big a deal
oh wait you're talking about desktops, i got confused. well i know for me it isn't a matter of power but stuff getting overlooked in ios DAWs. for example, i do drums in gadget's bilbao and there's only 1 FX slot for the entire gadget. why can't i put reverb on this pad, then delay on this other pad, then filter and compressor on all of them? and a 10-second sample length limit? no audio tracks? it's a pain. also all the drum machine apps but so few of them do triplets. it's less about processing power and more about stuff that developers don't implement for some reason
It's hard to tell how many people out there are toting iPhones with GB or anything else music app-wise on them, since the package is easy to overlook - not to mention the proliferation of Android phones. Since those are out of the running we must be dealing with something of small-ISH user base. I don't get or take many opportunities to share with others (as much as I'd like to!) because I find that most people aren't musicians or aren't particularly interested in music or MY music and I certainly don't want to get in anyone's face indiscriminately. Fortunately, I'm still so taken with the capabilities at hand that I'll have to be satisfied with satisfying myself.
Indeed, there is lots of talk about production 'power' lately.... It can take many forms. being able to have a device in my pocket to use anytime is 'power'. Also having multiple monitors on a computer and being able to have several windows open at once for mastering multiple tracks at the same time, with mutliple instances of plugins is 'power'. In the end simply knowing how to use all this stuff together to its maximum potential is the real power. Sorry had a bit of a GI Joe moment there.
@grizzlegritz said:
For all the power our technology brings, which is good, it has to have a personal connection, this is probably what we 'don't get', this personal affinity and it is different from one person to another. Someday we all may be revving our engines, looking back with rose tinted....memories.