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Hardware MIDI Controller with MIDI Learn?
I'm looking for a hardware MIDI knob/slider controller box thingy that itself has MIDI Learn. By MIDI Learn I mean: I want to set a fader to 'listen' mode, send it some midi information, tell it to stop listening. Then, when I move the control it should send whatever it just learned (but scale the value per the slider). So, I send it CC53, perhaps including a value, and from then on it sends CC53 but sends a value based on the slider position.
In particular, I want something like this for capturing and then transmitting sysex instead of doing it entirely by hand.
Does something like this exist? I'm looking for a piece of hardware but perhaps there's an app that has this feature I should consider?
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Interesting idea, but wouldn't that mean you would have to re-learn the midi keyboard, every time you wanted to switch virtual instruments? If it goes the normal way (one keyboard template, then midi learn all the different apps to match the keyboard), you switch virtual instruments and the mapping stays the way you want it.
Do you ask because you have lots of software to control that doesn't have midi learn?
Edit: just saw you wanted to do sysex "learn" on a midi controller. That's pretty advanced for the regular commercial offerings, (most are limited to CC's, and the full 0-127 range) maybe it's out there, but I'm guessing some intermediary software with a regular midi keyboard might be the way to go, to remap the CC's to sysex.
Thank you both. @Processaurus guess I'm thinking a controller with MIDI learn would also have templates you could save.
MIDI data recorders have existed since almost the dawn of the spec. Seems like the tech is all there (midi data recorder, store it in a register, assign control to register, etc) but there probably isn't enough demand. This is basically the way a sequencer works but instead of assigning it to a controller, it assigns it to a track or measure or whatever unit.
My desire for it stems mostly from wanting to control hardware devices that have deep control possibilities but only via SYSEX along with a healthy dose of genuine 'merican laziness with regard to programming it all in.
wish I could help more, but check out the beringher bcf 2000 for faders and bcr 2000 for knobs, they are quite adept at controlling hardware though might not take you all the way there.
Come to think of it, I used to have a GEM synth that had a mode where any midi pattern could be assigned to any key on the keyboard. A midi 'pattern' could have a single note or sysex or 8 channels of polyphonic MIDI data or whatever. That's petty close to what I'm looking for.
The difference is I don't want a fully static record/resend thing. Something would remain variable depending on the knob/slider position. (The GEM sort of allowed for this where velocities could come from the pattern or from the trigger but that's a lot simpler than sysex I'm imagining).
As an example, I have a hardware multitrack recorder that allows for sysex control of the volumes, pans, EQ settings, effects send levels... on each track. It transmits that sysex when you do it on the box itself (so you can automate with a MIDI sequencer). I want something that will capture that sysex, figure out what's variable and assign slider X to send that variable based on its position.
And now that I type it, I'm even more sure it does not exist and probably never will! Back to programming by hand. Though maybe @dwarman knows of something?
Thanks. I had a BCR but it crapped out on me.
really! those things can take a beating, used to have a bcr and bcf,got them for a hund each probably the best $200 bucks I've spent on gear
@syrupcore: Don't know of any hardware that will do that, sorry. But I do know you can use e.g.TB Midi Stuff to map between CC and Sysex (and VV).Not the learn bit though. I do understand what you want, and I could see how to implement it in a box, should I ever hae the time and other resources.
Cheers @dwarman.
@kobamoto yeah, the BCR's have a known flake out thing. Sometimes boots into Klingon mode and sometimes the encoders jump around and send values like 87, 2, 55, 127, 3,.... A bummer mostly because I want to run that new sequencer firmware but he has a notice about this very thing before the download button!
You could check out this article. I don't know will you find it useful but it wouldn't hurt anyway.Here
I've got a BCF, had it from new since release, wonderful piece of kit, still waiting for Cubasis to do HUI control
Why so desirable of this sysex set up OP?
Just curious on the what of what you are doing with this set up currently that warrants such a novel idea
@rustik for controlling hardware that sends sysex when something is adjusted but doesn't respond to CCs.
An update: looks like the BCRs actually do exactly what I'm after. There's a LEARN button right on the front panel. I picked up a used one yesterday but haven't had a chance to give it a go. Will report back.
Did the BCR get the job done for you?
@SpookyZoo Yep. It works as advertised. I didn't wind up using it for my initial purpose but the learn functionality is brilliant, if it a little wonky.
Cool. Cheers.
Actually spotted your post on another thread...
Had you seen this made for purpose?
http://www.synthgraphics.com/Alpha-Juno-Programmer.html
@SpookyZoo Yep. Sadly they're out of stock with no immediate plans to do another run. I just used white tape.
I wound up adjusting the layout a little more to my liking anyway.