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Link is amazing. That is all.
I aquired my 808 in '96 from an accordian repairman/lounge singer friend who let me borrow it after he heard the music I was listening to, and he said, "This sounds like your brain." And he handed it over to me, still in the box, never used. And he let me buy it from him for next to nothing. And he was right: it is my brain.
Thus began the long and tedious learning curve about syncing gear. My DJ friend brought over his 909 and I learned all about why DIN SYNC doesn't work with MIDI. Adapters, wires, new machines, new toys, effects: a maze of MIDi to link and sync them all. Countless searches for solutions and splitters and new gadgets. And all the manuals I have read.
Recently I became an iPad addict (I was a hardware only electronic musician till just this year) and running three of them together was my goal. Bought a Beatstep Pro, got the magic splitters and docks, and syncing them up for the first time was really nice. Pretty close, occasionally jittery, but passable. I tried to convince myself it could be perfect, but I knew the Beatstep would be great to sequence and program with, not for clock.
But now? I have never encountered sync like this. Ableton Link is gorgeously tight and easy to use. (Running a beta version) It links itself once you set it up (and by setup, I mean press a button) each time I open the app. I can start and stop without ever losing the beat, and it jumps right back in on point wherever I press play. Adjust tempo in any app that is open: the others match perfectly and never lag. Like, never. Holy cow.
So, this is amazing. I have reached around the back of many machines for close to twenty years and fiddled around with wires and adapters trying to make them talk to each other. Never did they speak this cleanly. Wow.
This is the highest standard of clock I can possibly think of. Outstanding.
My two cents..
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I'm crazy excited about this. Thanks for the report!
Um...do what now? What are we talking about and why do I suddenly feel stupid for now knowing about it?
Where've you been lately?!?
This is the real deal!
It's Ableton Link!
Not released yet (other than to those with an Ableton Live 9.5.1 Beta), but releasing soon with an SDK for iOS apps.
Yeah @boone51, pah, all the cool kids know about it. Hafta make a note in your file.
@FlightManual that's a pretty breathless report from an old interface manual reader like yourself
Looking forward to it. Whatever it is....
Google, you have the con. Execute.
Hey. I resemble that.....
https://forum.audiob.us/utility/thumbnail/2928/FileUpload/d5/b2c2b8333cbcf75ef99c91a024d52f.jpg
start @ 45 minutes
Posh (good) vid.
Holy tits, what the what! Seriously though, am I the only one that feels like this about 2 years past due already. I do get that midi sync has been terrible etc etc, but we are talking about software, right? At the root, I mean. It's software. Which could have been written two years ago at least. Anyway, sorry for being my usual self. The promise is great. I'll say it again though, could have arrived way sooner.
And in the sprint of full disclosure I will admit that I do lean more heavily on my acoustic instruments than my virtual ones, so sync hasn' t ever been a hoy-shit item for me. So even if it is revolutionary, I won't honestly care a ton.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00346/14769354__346274c.jpg
Well, its going to finally allow us to start recording or triggering start and stop from various audiobus apps simultaneously, though it will likely require a wi-fi router to do so based on the spec. At least, that has been my take away.
I felt like I was in an electronic church. Preach sister!
It is so cool that there is no Master/Slave relationship in tempo. That was usually the crux of most problems in MIDI: which machine is the master? Now I could conceivably play/jam live with others easily without that dynamic. Or splitters and cords.
I think its brillant. (I rarely say that, I am known for hating on everything.) I was like OMFG when I saw this.
Ok, now that we have this would all concerned write to Marcos Alonso informing him of their wishes?
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Amazing!
Ableton 9.5beta2 is a free public beta version , available by signing up. Are there any public beta versions of iOS apps for trial of Link? I've seen videos of Elastic Drums, Patterning, Tric Trac, and Gadget. Why don't the devs release these versions with Link to trial with Ableton. They seem to be operating as well as the current AppStore versions .
(I don't want to wait any longer for this)
This:
"Link currently provides tempo sync and a grid to which apps can align. There are no Song Position or Start/Stop messages sent via Link, nor can any other MIDI data be sent.
I guess the intension is to use link in combination with some other system, that provides start/stop/position. Not sure a well adopted system exists in ios for this.
Excitement level dropped
The start/stop would have to be handled by Audiobus itself.
There really isn't any Master start/stop tempo nor do you need any external gear or system. You don't need to even download it: developers need to implement it inside their apps. It'll just.... be. And MIDI is still at the core of data between apps, but Link will take care of the clock, and that is half of the problem.
If you have Effectrix, you may know it is a complete pain in the ass to get it to clock to anything. Gotta download an external app to make it play nice. Let's say Sugar Bytes adds Link to it (prettyplease) and it starts and stops ON TIME. That alone would be awesome. But not having it slave to anything is awesome too. Sugar Bytes: you are now on notice and I love you.
Now, if if my drums and loops don't match up on the one, that's my bad. No more "Eh, close enough." And I bet users of loopers and such might find the start of their loops aren't clean to the one. Lots of new problems like "My app doesn't have Link" and "My previous loop recordings suck using Link because I never made them on the one." But whatevs... my machines are playing nice today. This is usually a chore: now it is not.
The waiting game begins.
Funny,Effectrix is one of the very few apps that syncs well to me
Using as IAA in Auria or Cubasis i mean...
Thanks for the hands on report - between this and AU, we may be entering a new era of apps playing nice together!
DONE
Perhaps The Men (I always imagine @Michael and @Sebastian in overalls, tinkering about down in the basement, carrying large mugs of tea) have already chimed in on their view of Link and AB. Would value their simple view/input. IF'N it is as straightforward as indicated I think this would be a huge plus for apps that were prepared to implement it etc...
And we'll have a global start/stop button in the Audiobus connection panel.
Asked and answered.
Looking forward to Link
I wonder if Ableton will allow only non DAW iOS apps to use the technology, so that if you want to use a DAW properly with Link you need to connect to Live. I can see the reasoning behind this but hopefully not.
But then you could still use Audiobus to record sessions in an iOS DAW.
It'll be open to anyone that wants to adopt it. They want to make this as standard as MIDI some day.
Can anyone explain how it works with stuff like SPP or continue messages? They live happily along side each other? Or if I tap the global AB stop button, mess with one section of a song in some app and then want to start it all from 0:00 again, do I have to rewind everything manually first?