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Yeah, it's about time someone started exploiting these devices for music controllers beyond notation.
Yeah, pencils have always been one of the best ways to interact with musical instruments. Just use all of your digits to grab a tiny piece of wood and hold on to it. So expressive.
Also: movement detection via Kinect/Leap Motion/Gesture tracking will be really huge soon. Just like the Theremin has inspired soooo many instruments similar to it that are used in day to day workflows of literally every professional musician these days.
@Sebastian For those of us with a one track mind, a pencil is about all we can handle. I'm thinking it could be a good method for adding automation to tracks where you want some variability but not outrageous amounts. This task doesn't seem too different than drawing a line of varying thickness yet you don't want mechanical repetition either. Mostly it'd be a way to get more out of a device you already have rather than being an optimal tool for music creation. Using it in mono synth controller type modes might be the most useful with pressure changes against the surface giving quite a bit of variation. It'd be a way to translate fine motor control used in drawing.
On the other hand people can be very resourceful and may find more musically useful ways to use them.
The one thing I don't really appreciate is how frequently people have the urge to remake others in their own image although it seems to be part of our nature nevertheless. Healthy debate is fine and so is humor. Think I'll be spending less time on here as I find my interests are diverging from a lot of what goes on around here
No keep posting - the differences between what we all think and do are what make the forum interesting, generate new ideas and inspire. I learn a lot from you guys.
I agree.
Besides: I think pencils are great for note input, sketching out stuff and the Apple Pencil might be one of the first tools that make piano rolls on iDevices as usable as they are on the desktop. But I think of it more as an 'offline' tool rather than something to use in live performances.
Almost spit my coffee out reading these. lol...... I do like the Theremin in good vibrations a lot. It ads a really cool vibe to the song. And has inspired many a great metal bands now a days.
Just listen to the Shrieks in Black Metal.....
I have learnt from comments you have made in the past. I have probably not been here as long as you, but I can understand how sometimes forums can sap the soul. Hope you continue input here when you can.
Just wanted to let everyone know that I apologised to Paul in PM. Hope he accepts it. Sometimes I'm a bit too snarky.
@Sebastian @Fruitbat1919 @monzo thank you all for your thoughts. I just need to pace myself by striking a balance between getting too drawn into forum activities versus creating music. I'd just dealt with a midnight leak of water onto the middle of my bed in the basement from the third floor apartment which may have colored my responses in this thread.
Hey, we all get snarky and or sensitive (even us big tough oafs) sometimes, but we seem -unusually- to be able to figure it out, mostly. It's what makes this place more than the sum of its parts. Won't last forever (Lifecycle of online communities etc), but while it does where else can I find a perfect excuse for my own (inevitably) regrettable burst of pique like having my four poster turn into a waterbed in the middle of the night sillyface...
I'd like to add to this discussion that fingers are certainly very usefull and expressive for music making, but so are extensions of fingers like violin bows, drumsticks etc.
for the ipad touch surface, it's mostly touch that can be detected, whereas the pencil can detect touch, pressure and tilt, so I find it quite interesting what developers may come up with ...
Okay, I just had an idea. I take everything back.
I once had an idea for blending sound using art tools, but wouldn't know where to start on the programming front.
alot of great music has been created with a pencil.
I recommend with waterproof gear. Sorry, couldn't resist.
Pencils/styluses come into their own with apps like Kuvert - useful for drawing in automation in a DAW too. Saying that I never use mine, though it'd come in handy with the Sugarbytes micro-switches...
I saw that Jony Ive said recently that the Pencil was not the main means for interacting with the iPad - the finger was. The Pencil was more for making marks, drawing, sketching and note taking. Here are a couple of refs. What I find ironic is the mention of the Pencil's choice of name over Stylus because of the desire to feel more "analogue" - and here I was thinking Apple had abandoned skeuomorphism in favor of clean design...
http://www.macrumors.com/2015/11/17/apple-pencil-jony-ive/
http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/11/17/jony-ive-apple-pencil-is-clearly-for-marking-not-a-stylus-finger-replacement
Yeah but we're not talking about the main means of interacting with an iPad here, because creative iOS audio apps are not the main means of using an iPad either.
@asnor good point but never heard any music played with a pencil, though. Surely, it is just a technical tool!
I used my wife's best knife to put oils on. The only sound I got though was "what the feck you doing to my iPad!" Then the sound of a hard 'twackkkk' as she smacked me one!
I believe this concept of using a pencil for musical performance has been tried before....
@Jomodu
@Sebastian - agreed - I think the use in, e.g., drawing envelopes, automation, etc. might be useful. But, if I don't want my fingers getting in the way, I use a (mesh) stylus for that already. No big improvement from my perspective.
It wouldn't be my first choice, but neither are chopsticks. I'm willing to bet it could be as expressive as someone is willing to make it.
See video above @asnor
In the Pencilsynth video, I was waiting for the mirror image to shrink in size based on pressure. It seems it only responded to angle and position. The z-axis could be used for velocity or volume control of the synth.