Patterning vs. DM1

RUST( i )K

Endless possibilities, I know. I have my opinions however I am interested in seeing others perspectives and OPINIONS.

1. Which has less bugs or crashes less?

2. Which has better sound qualities?

3. Which has better Audiobus remote control?

4. Which uses less memory?

5. Which requires more IPad CPU horsepower to use?

These are my major points of interest.

I appreciate your feedback.

FlightManual

Patterning is the best sampler/drum machine I have ever played. From 808 to Electribe, played a lot of great hardware. I find Seekbeats and Elastic Drums a lot of fun and they sound great. Love my machines, but Patterning is the most flexible and fun to play. The purchase will not be regretted. IMHO it is better than a Elektron or Akai or any other top of the line hardware. Intricacies, accidentals, variables all in an intuitive interface.

Tritonman

I have not opened DM1 for sometime now but I use Patterning frequently. Not much trouble with either but patterning is still t the top of the drum app heap for now.

JohnnyGoodyear

@RustiK My guess, at this point in history, is that Patterning will win this in a landslide in a catchweight contest with DM1. Especially hereabouts among a relatively educated/experienced group of iOS users. And for good reason(s). What are your opinions? You obviously put DM1 in the ring for a reason...(and I am an avowed DM1 lover, for the record).

supadom

I had this in my drafts and couldn't quite copy and paste onto this thread so here's the image of it

gkillmaster

@supadom said:
I had this in my drafts and couldn't quite copy and paste onto this thread so here's the image of it

I love this place for throroughality! thanks community!

AudioGus

i dont have data to your specific questions but I like Patterning for beats and the slick kits and DM1 for quick chaos and noise FX. if i could only have one it would be patterning.

one thing that may be important to you is that in the past Patternings sync is much much better but DM1 did have an update not too long ago that improved it somewhat.

Halftone

always found DM1 underwhelming .. haven't got Patterning yet, but I know it'll be better

Kaikoo

I love my dummy Patterning a lot because I am a dummy drummer.

Redo1

yeah i've had DM1 a long time and did use it quite often before gadget and patterning. Not really that interested in it much anymore.
Looking at Attack or elastic as next purchase and waiting on beatmaker 3 to complete my iOS drumming app needs.

Kaikoo

Use Patterning,

You can send midi to Korg Gadget to play Abu Dhabi,

Set up C2 as your base note for all rings and on midi output tick pitch automation,

To set up your ring circle, tick first quarter note for the ring, turn to second to fouth ring do the same, see photo.

grab the pen to draw 'coarse tune' for 12 semitones on the ring

You can extend the Abu 13th to 16th slots on Gadget to other ring, I ignore it here for discussion

play around the 'playback mode' and 'auto rotate' and 'velocity'.

You will have your ever-chaging patterns by doing so without going insane!

Play until you feel you like it and record that to Gadget empty track for your lovely dance music.

DM1 can not do, Others drum apps can not do too!

Ya, no big deal about Patterning!

gkillmaster

@Kaikoo said:
Use Patterning,

You can send midi to Korg Gadget to play Abu Dhabi,

Set up C2 as your base note for all rings and on midi output tick pitch automation,

To set up your ring circle, tick first quarter note for the ring, turn to second to fouth ring do the same, see photo.

grab the pen to draw 'coarse tune' for 12 semitones on the ring

You can extend the Abu 13th to 16th slots on Gadget to other ring, I ignore it here for discussion

play around the 'playback mode' and 'auto rotate' and 'velocity'.

You will have your ever-chaging patterns by doing so without going insane!

Play until you feel you like it and record that to Gadget empty track for your lovely dance music.

DM1 can not do, Others drum apps can not do too!

Ya, no big deal about Patterning!

thank you! helpful to me!

JRSIV

I'm a sucker for drum apps so I have bought/downloaded several on iOS. DM1 is cool for it's immediacy, it is just very easy to use. The stock kits are predominantly electronic but importing samples is fairly easy.

I started on drums in 6th grade concert band and up until picking up guitar at 16 the drums were it for me. I do more rock/verse-chorus stuff so I prefer acoustic drum sounds on demos, etc. I don't mind samples/MIDI, I just want the tone to be more Ludwig kit than 808. To that end DrumPerfect has been extremely badass- the control over velocity layers, probability and timing can produce StudioDrummer/BFD PC & Mac quality tracks.

I just got Patterning a week ago and I love it. It took awhile to break my mind of the piano roll/grid/DAW programming feel of other apps & drum machines but it is so cool to use the cyclical programming of Patterning, it opens up some very creative possibilities.

To me its the perfect mix of a DrumPerfect realism style drum machine and the more traditional MPC digital boxes.

[Deleted User]

Difficult to comment on resource usage, but I think they both bring something to the table sound and functionality wise. DM1 is a good, honest beat horse, whereas patterning makes for a more creative approach.

Since buying Patterning I haven't used DM1, and it's featured on all of my recent tracks. Though my stuff is a bit weirder than most. If I had to buy one, it'd be the big P.

JohnnyGoodyear

@supadom said:
I had this in my drafts and couldn't quite copy and paste onto this thread so here's the image of it

A thousand times yes on the lack of Export Options. I find this thoroughly mystifying. Surely coming soon no?

AudioGus

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@supadom said:
I had this in my drafts and couldn't quite copy and paste onto this thread so here's the image of it

A thousand times yes on the lack of Export Options. I find this thoroughly mystifying. Surely coming soon no?

i would imagine / hope so... And of the multitrack variety.

fprintf

Love patterning. I have quite a few drumming apps because at one time I fancied myself being an electronic musician. So I bought DM1, Diode-108, and Gumdrops all on the recommendation of those on this forum, and then I outdid all those apps by buying patterning. For me, anyway, it definitely lived up to the hype, it is one of my absolute favorite apps. It works pretty well on my iPad2, though for latency sake I need to run my drum track into Loopy HD and then run another app with Patterning closed.

Jose_Bee

@JohnnyGoodyear said:
@l hereabouts among a relatively educated/experienced group of iOS users. And for good reason(s).

Quote of the year, this is what makes this place it's the weight and authority of the options carried. You can't really go wrong there's a ton of good advice that shouldn't be ignored.
Ps patterning is on another level from any other drum machine if you can even call it that.

1nsomniak

One advantage of DM1: works on iphone. Looks like I might need to check out Patterning next though....so many apps.

Jocphone

To add to the others comments, Patterning is a very flexible playground for rhythms. DM-1 is like Moby's spare room, full of vintage drum machines. Personally, I like both for these very different reasons but DM-1 usually gets grabbed first for quick generation and output of a drum loop when I'm in a hurry.

richiehoop

Kaikoo said:

Use Patterning,

You can send midi to Korg Gadget to play Abu Dhabi,

Set up C2 as your base note for all rings and on midi output tick pitch automation,

To set up your ring circle, tick first quarter note for the ring, turn to second to fouth ring do the same, see photo.

grab the pen to draw 'coarse tune' for 12 semitones on the ring

You can extend the Abu 13th to 16th slots on Gadget to other ring, I ignore it here for discussion

play around the 'playback mode' and 'auto rotate' and 'velocity'.

You will have your ever-chaging patterns by doing so without going insane!

Play until you feel you like it and record that to Gadget empty track for your lovely dance music.

DM1 can not do, Others drum apps can not do too!

Ya, no big deal about Patterning!

 Thanks for this suggestion. 

Great fun and it really helps to illustrate the power of Patterning, in my view.

supadom

@Kaikoo  Ya, no big deal about Patterning

I don't think anybody (i.e. myself) was playing down patterning. They're basically very different machines. Like @Monzo said for quick relatively simple beat with a full view of the whole grid DM-2 is a better option. Patterning is a beast but I doubt 90% of its users will get at where it really shines. I might well be talking about myself here probably mostly out of lack of time necessary to fuff around with it.

TheoVoid

Well. I'm a Patterning man myself. Lol. DM1- is great. It's classic, simple, good sounds. But, there is just nothing like Patterning! I made a thread the other day expressing my un- dying Love for patterning. All these years and all these drum machines (hardware and software) later, and we finally have the most intuitive, logical and fun interface for beat making. I'm in loVe

Tarekith

I like Patterning for messing about and just randonly trying to come up with neat sounding loops.  It's fun to explore beats that way, and you can often get very unexpected results that sound great.  Mistakes like those can sometimes inspire entire songs.

BUT, I still tend to use DM1 more in my music.  Often times I might not have a 100% solid idea what I want rhythm-wise, but usually I have a rough sketch mentally of what I want to make.  For that, I just find DM1 easier to use since I'm soooo used to the x0x interface for programming beats.  It's a little clunky at times, but then again so is every hardware drum machine I've ever used.

Tritonman

It's a little clunky at times when compared to patterning every time for myself and I sold off my hardware machines.  I used to use DM1 quite often though and it is capable yes and can sound good.  Patterning just kind of has that sound with the ease of sample import combined with painting in velocities for Tom or snare or cymbals come to life and so on.  Once I got into it I soon realized why most everyone who used it fell in love with it more than any other.  It sounds more real then machine.  The whole song chain thing with copying and then painting in the same pattern with the odd velocity change makes it sound so real and it is quick and simple.  Yes DM is good no doubt and if someone does not have Patterning already they should at least get it for the kits, but if you have to choose between the two Patterning wins hands down for how much easier it is and how real it sounds with not a lot of work.  Oh yea and it is a ton of fun to use.  The makers of patterning really did hit it out of the park.  Do remember DM has been around for much longer and Patterning is relatively new .  It only gets better as if it were not already excellent.

JohnnyGoodyear

Jocphone said:

To add to the others comments, Patterning is a very flexible playground for rhythms. DM-1 is like Moby's spare room, full of vintage drum machines. Personally, I like both for these very different reasons but DM-1 usually gets grabbed first for quick generation and output of a drum loop when I'm in a hurry.

Tarekith said:

I like Patterning for messing about and just randonly trying to come up with neat sounding loops.  It's fun to explore beats that way, and you can often get very unexpected results that sound great.  Mistakes like those can sometimes inspire entire songs.

Well said Gentlemen.

jooga1972

If I look at how you sculpt beats with these apps, the following come to mind:

DM1 - mainstream, familiar,  conventional.
Patterning - underground, experimental, unconventional.

I prefer the latter options but this is not say DM1 is not a great iOS drum machine, only Patterning suits my music-making taste far better.  I also fancy the outstanding customer service and response time that were repeatedly demonstrated by Patterning. The same is not true, as I had experienced, for Fingerlab, and to me it matters a lot. But primarily it's what you can do with Patterning that made me say goodbye to DM1, which, for me, became outworn on the same day Patterning was released. 

Kaikoo

supadom said:

@Kaikoo  Ya, no big deal about Patterning

I don't think anybody (i.e. myself) was playing down patterning. They're basically very different machines. Like @Monzo said for quick relatively simple beat with a full view of the whole grid DM-2 is a better option. Patterning is a beast but I doubt 90% of its users will get at where it really shines. I might well be talking about myself here probably mostly out of lack of time necessary to fuff around with it.

fuff around vs. flux around

chicken first or egg first?

take care of your time and enjoy Patterning, my friend.

Will

@Tritonman think you can paint velocity in with dm1 via the mixer. I know you can insert them but can't recall if it allows you drag you finger to "paint" them. 

DM-1 is indeed very straight forward for x0x style programming. Great even. The step based automation via the mixer view is pretty wonderful. Plus, the included sound library is great. But I think the question should be "Patterning or Diode-108"? And the answer is "yes". Diode does everything DM-1 does—including a great starting sample library—and MIDI syncs like a boss. And, if anything, this thread is a series of great posts about why anyone would want both types of drum machines in the proverbial toolbox. 

Tritonman

Mm mm, let me read this thread over again,,   Ok no I am pretty sure. We were fairly sure with the first call, heheh.  As for painting in quickly like patterning I now have no way to check because it no longer resides on my iPad given space considerations( not that it is huge ) but if an app is not used the iPad does not really allow for extra storage for the most part.  Perhaps when I can afford an upgrade.  Until then Patterning covers it just fine thanks.

djjuniorpops

The only thing with Diode 108 it need longer pattern length