Korg DS-10 Now on the iPhone

Carnbot

@Fitz said:

It doesn't work with iconnectaudio4!

that's good to know, definitely a no purchase from me then!
so can you use the headphone jack and then use the analogue inputs of the iCA4?

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@Carnbot said:

@Fitz said:

It doesn't work with iconnectaudio4!

that's good to know, definitely a no purchase from me then!
so can you use the headphone jack and then use the analogue inputs of the iCA4?

Yep - as far as I can work out the ONLY way to get any sound OUT of it is via the headphone jack. Kind of crazy.

A tiny part of me is wondering if this is some deliberate deal to allow the liciencing of this on the iPhone? Could it be?

Otherwise, if that's not the case, I can;t see how the next update wouldn't have some kind of mix down or IAA/AB option at least. It's crazy otherwise.

Matt_Fletcher_2000

I must say though - Korg have done it again...

I was skeptical about this (why would I need it?) but i've spent hours completely immersed in it making some old school type drum and bass. 

It's really like a mini version of Gadget on your iphone - with the added bonus of the Kaoss pads and the vocal synth (which is the best of its kind i've heard on iOS). 

(It remind me a little bit of Xenon actually - one of the very first iOS music apps that got me started... only it's much better).

The limitations are both a gift and a curse. You have to think hard about how to make a tune with just 4 tracks - but it results in quite a cool, sparce mix where each part has to be really well crafted. I believe that each pattern can have a completely new preset on it so you can have a lot of different sounds in your track (just no more than 2 synths, drums and the vocal part at any one time).

I'd say I was half way through a reasonably catchy track and i'm wondering now which route to take:

- 1. Keep going using the on board song mode to fully arrange the track (then possibly record out each stem via the headphone socket for mixing in Auria and some extra stuff on the iPad)

- 2. Record loops out one by one via the headphone socket and arrange / add to in Auria

- 3. Just create patterns and play the final track as a live Jam using pattern play and the faders (annoyingly the faders aren't on the same page as pattern play!)

- 4. Complete the whole thing as a song entirely in iMS10 and just record the master out

- 5. Boot up Gadget and copy the midi patterns by eye over to Gadget - match the patches and go complete the track in Gadget


 









 

Carnbot

I'm more and more tempted by this. I can see that perhaps they are emulating the restrictions and fun of the original emulation...seems to have had quite a following because of the restrictions. 
At least you don't have to worry about connecting it to this or that, because you can't!

Would play well on my mini2.......

Matt_Fletcher_2000

It's worth £8.

Not sure i'd want to spend £16 on it...

I really hope it gets some digital output capability though.

Kaikoo

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 , said
"I believe that each pattern can have a completely new preset on it so you can have a lot of different sounds in your track (just no more than 2 synths, drums and the vocal part at any one time). "

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Yes, each Pattern can has it's own synth presets, so every pattern make very unique sound, which is awesome! Gadget patterned track can only be fixed to one kind of preset, iDS-10 is different to Gadget.

In addition, I found a long pressing on small pattern window, you can move the pattern to other tracks window, so a person can do copying in such straight way.

Also, each pattern button and pattern window can be pressed for delete the sequence or just only delete the preset sound, then the deleted preset sound can individually be changed to another synth preset sound. This is awesome. see photo......

Carnbot

maybe an ipad version of the MS-10 will come out next with the connectivity and this is the DS version...

Tritonman

Thanks Kaikoo, Iknew there had to be a copy and paste function somewhere but had not found it.

Kaikoo

@Carnbot said:

maybe an ipad version of the MS-10 will come out next with the connectivity and this is the DS version...

@Carnbot, don't holding your arms. Discount is meant for initial purchase. In a long run, it has it's own enamouredness! You all should be happy man like Samu's enthusiasm. I will ignore your determinations here.

Artmuzz

I bought iDS-10 yesterday. I was hoping it would be 12 note polyphonic like on the nintendo DSi version but unfortunately it is only monophonic. However this looks promising.

Samu

@Kaikoo said:

Can iMS-20 sequencer be controlled by external virtual midi apps and the patterns based upon being recorded ? For example, midiSTEPs, MidiSequencer, and Lemur.

Hmm, It is possible to sequence iMS-20 using midiSTEPS and MidiSequencer (Don't have Lemur but it should work too). iMS-20 responds on 7 midi-channels, #1 for the main synth and channels #2-6 for each of the drum-sounds. I have not found a way to 'trigger/start' the iMS-20 sequencer from midiSTEPs. Maybe iMS-20 doesn't respond to midi start/stop? iMS-20 records the midi-input but since it's 'manual-sync' it's hard to get the timing right

Also it's pretty strange, iMS-20's record function is different depending on which page record is enabled, If the record is enabled on the synth page nothing gets recorded to the drum-channels, and if the record is enabled on drum-page nothing gets recorded on the synth page. Playback from midi-sources works fine in all cases but as mentioned no way to remote-start the sequencer (for drums etc) from midiSTEPs.

My long standing wish to have all Korg Apps as Gadgets is still valid

Tritonman

I just finally learned that when typing a phrase into the vocoder placing a space between syllables gives a much better result.( the words become very clear this way).

JohnnyGoodyear

A late night and wholly ironic thought was that this was punishment for those of us who use iPads mostly and don't care so much when folks complain about apps having to be re-purchased for the phone. I then imagined a new version, with acp or open-in being released for the iPad but it has to be bought as a separate app....the irony being that while I don't believe in buying apps that don't have an 'out' somehow, I did buy this on the basis of a) the positive feedback of forum members and b) the belief that surely surely Korg would have to update it with the ability to export sooner rather than later and I might as well get it at the 'early' price...ah, well, it's been put in the 'later' folder; now we wait

DeVlaeminck

Good thing it's on sale until 12.28. Ample time to find out if Korg is planning something ...

knewspeak

@DeVlaeminck said:

Good thing it's on sale until 12.28. Ample time to find out if Korg is planning something ...

This is my plan too, so I'm hoping for an update, or at least news of an update.

Tritonman

I am getting better results with this vocoder then anything I have tried so far.  

Carnbot

I caved in and bought it

I can live without the IAA and audiobus if they just add digital audio out and midi in... great fun though and works fine recording into MTS via analogue inputs of Audio interface. So I have it running on a Mini2 ported through Audiobus on my Air 2.

Agree with all the positive comments, it's really easy and fun to play with. The mystery game is a nice touch with the light pulse when you unlock a feature reminds me of Final Fantasy. I'm fairly convinced they wont add more connectivity to keep it like the DS "Game" theme, but you never know!

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@Tritonman said:
I am getting better results with this vocoder then anything I have tried so far.  

+1 it's fantastic. And the fact you can very easily sequence it makes it 100 times more usable. It's worth £7.99 just for this I think.

touchconspiracy

I tweeted korg about no export- RESULT!

JohnnyGoodyear

@touchconspiracy said:

I tweeted korg about no export- RESULT!

Good for you for getting on the tweet stick. I do fear their answer is carefully generic (of course). iOS (for me) is such a soup of different pieces from different places that the idea of spending hours noodling up something cool that can't be used elsewhere just blows what's left of my very fragile mind...

Kaikoo

Going to sleep, not a single crash from iDS-10! Hoping Auria Pro out tomorrow!

@Carnbot, glad your join in. Man! It is Nintendo DS , MS-10 offspring!

Next one should be Mario Bro. on iPhone !!!!!! 

fjcblanco

Well, I'll take the risk and I'll buy it to run it on my recently gifted iPhone5s.

Korg iDS-10 and Monument Valley free the same day. Can't believe it.

Carnbot

@Kaikoo said:

Going to sleep, not a single crash from iDS-10! Hoping Auria Pro out tomorrow!

@Carnbot, glad your join in. Man! It is Nintendo DS , MS-10 offspring!

Next one should be Mario Bro. on iPhone !!!!!! 

Thank you sir it's very addictive. reminds me of my gaming years...

Matt_Fletcher_2000

The more I think about it... it's all about that voice synth I think... With the automation and the sequencing at your fingertips - it could produce some very nice results. I'm assuming that if you hook in a second device or piece of hardware with an audio interface it would record whatever is coming in... not just your voice... so that would be interesting.

ChrisG

I tweeted Korg as well, about why they didn't make it 32bit compatible. And the reason was that if they made it compatible with iPhone 5, iPhone 4S would automatically be included as a compatible device, and the screen resolution would be an issue on the 4S. 

So so it got nothing to do with the horsepower of the devices. I'm thinking this _really_ shouldn't be a challenge, it would mean more design work and a slightly bigger app, but also more sales...



Edit (I did make a comment about seeing it as a design challenge tho;)

fjcblanco

Ok, thanks @ChrisG. It makes sense.

Carnbot

The vocoder is really good, you can treat it like an instrument and make it not sound like a voice at all too. 

I wish iMS-20 had this pattern sequencer in it!

could do with being able to nudge all notes left and right on the patterns.

Matt_Fletcher_2000

Yep. And copy / paste within the piano roll. It's pretty tedious to have to recreate 1 bar drum pattern 4 times if you want your pattern to be 4 bars. (Unless anyone has found a work around for this?)

Carnbot

Well this is weird, I now seem to have digital audio out on my Air 2 9.1 with iDS-10

But not on my mini 2 Not sure if this is part of the game (I don't think it is) but I can't replicate being able to get digital audio out on my mini2.

So I'm now able to use it with the ICA4. I restarted the app and it still works. Scratches head......

oceansinspace

Yea this is so weird. I had this back in the day on gameboy, and loved it. Now we need iPhone 5s as min spec's ? That makes no sense! 

And I'm pretty sure if you have the m2-20 this is childs play. But still worth it if it has some features you like.