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The elusive Animoog poly-aftertouch :: recording MIDI

HmtxHmtx
in General App Discussion
Apparently Animoog has some complex MIDI data going on in order to execute its beautiful keyboard playing interface.  Animoog has MIDI out but I have not yet heard of a MIDI recording app that can actually accurately capture and reproduce the MIDI data required for the "poly aftertouch" as Moog calls it.  

The topic has come back up with Auria Pro being released with MIDI.  I'm hoping some new Auria Pro users can test this out.  I was going to try to get all technical, but I'm not that MIDI competent... instead can someone try a simple scenario or two, recording MIDI in Auria from Animoog:

1. play a single note, start at bottom of key, slide to top of the same key, and back to bottom.  
2. play a gliding note, start at c4, drag finger up to c5.  

So, will Auria record the MIDI and accurately reproduce the sound played back in Animoog?  

Are there other apps that can do this accurately?  


Comments

  • pierrepierre

    I was under the impression that it did, but maybe it was just the "orbiter" at work, (nicely sounding by the way)I don't have my iPad with me, I'll do an experiment if I think about it ;)

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000
    I tried recording 'channel pressure' from Animoog to Auria. 

    It recorded it in Auria as 'after touch' but it caused big memory overload when playing this back to Animoog.  

    Haven't tried 'poly pressure' yet. 

  • firejan82firejan82
    Poly pressure midi recording and playing back works nicely. No glide though but no app I know of records that.
  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000

    I can confirm poly pressure working very nicely.

    It's strange in Auria. It shows that poly pressure data has been recorded because it's lit up, but it doesn't show it as an automation curve. Presumably because it's 'per note'.

    It works a treat though.

    In terms of pitch bending between notes - are you sure it's not recording this too? It sounded like it was to me. And I see that data has been written into 'NRParam MSB (cc99)' which seems to correspond with me gliding between notes.

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000

    Velocity also coming through.

  • firejan82firejan82
    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    In terms of pitch bending between notes - are you sure it's not recording this too? It sounded like it was to me. And I see that data has been written into 'NRParam MSB (cc99)' which seems to correspond with me gliding between notes.


     I should have said polyphonic glide isn't recording. That's the one that no app records. It seems to be completely disabled when Animoog is loaded as an IAA instument. Mono glide appears to be working.
  • KaikooKaikoo
    You might need a 3D touch iPad for this calculations to fuctioning first, then ask Apple for accessing them. We then ask Auria's capabilities.  :#
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    This are the things where MPE midi (see another thread) would come in. If your synth and your control surface (hardware or the virtual keyboard or whatever) support it booth you don´t have to worry about such things and the mapping etc.
    Sadly, new great standards are evolving very slow in the music world, especially in iOS. 
    I also i can´t get to record or control all the midi cc´s within Animoog. 
    I read somewhere that Animoog was updated for this kind of things.... not sure? I use the iPhone version and maybe there it is not the same.
    Indeed, polyphonic glide is still a niche.... not sure why. Our mighty Alchemy synth (player) can do this since years :wink: 
    In general midi is a mysterious thing for me in iOS. It´s hard to figure out what and ehy and how it will work together. 
    It always come back to the same problem: no standards!
  • HmtxHmtx
    Thanks everyone for your input, so it sounds like Auria accurately records my two original above scenarios, but there isn't any app that does a "two-finger" slide up the Animoog keyboard?  Is that what we are talking about by "polyphonic glide" ?   

    Well, at least that much is good news to me.  The glides are mostly important to me for monophonic leads, so I'm not too worried about the other.  


  • HmtxHmtx
    edited December 2015
    But this makes me wonder ... what about polyphonic aftertouch?  

    Try my scenario 1 with two fingers on different keys.  Start one at top of a key, and another at the bottom, then slowly drag the one down and the other up.[edit: Each finger should only move vertically and stay on the same note. ] Does Auria record this properly and play it back to Animoog exactly?

    I think Moog went into some undocumented (or maybe non-standardized, or at least little-known) MIDI territory to make Animoog, it would just be great if we actually have a midi sequencer that can handle it now.  I am already saving my sheckles for Auria Pro. :)
  • firejan82firejan82

    I see. @MusicInclusive was asking about polyphonic aftertouch, I didn't know what that meant. That one works as well.

    I love the polyphonic glide in Animoog, not a lot of apps do that. ThumbJam's got the continuum mode, love that too. Modal Pro also. Don't think there's an iOS MIDI sequencer that can capture polyphonic glide.

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