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BeatStep Pro sequencing iOS drum machines?

Owners of BSP, do you know is there are drum machines that can be used as a "sampler", meaning you make your sequence in BSP and BSP plays notes/samples from the drum app?

More notes than one at a time, multi timbrel...

I have hard time finding ones that "work"...

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  • Hi! I've not tried intensively but DM1 works without any problem with BSP for me...

  • Thanks, @GreenBoots , that's one that I don't have. Can you import samples?
    iElectribe works perfect too.
    I wonder if Attack works, but it's expensive and I am not sure it imports samples.
    IMPC? Same thing, no idea...

    Doesn't look like there are many owners of BSP...

  • @soundklinik said:
    Thanks, @GreenBoots , that's one that I don't have. Can you import samples?
    iElectribe works perfect too.
    I wonder if Attack works, but it's expensive and I am not sure it imports samples.
    IMPC? Same thing, no idea...

    Doesn't look like there are many owners of BSP...

    I own it. I made a couple of gently beautiful things with it, but I have no real idea how and I put it away.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I own it. I made a couple of gently beautiful things with it, but I have no real idea how and I put it away.

    I was wondering if you do...You have a reputation of "the man that has them all" ;)

    Maybe you should unpack it, dust it off, update the firmware and help with the quest for the Holly drum machine....I'm afraid it won't be easy....

  • edited December 2015

    @soundklinik said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I own it. I made a couple of gently beautiful things with it, but I have no real idea how and I put it away.

    I was wondering if you do...You have a reputation of "the man that has them all" ;)

    Maybe you should unpack it, dust it off, update the firmware and help with the quest for the Holly drum machine....I'm afraid it won't be easy....

    Oh dearie me....no one wants to be the poster child for Drunk Town... :)

  • edited December 2015

    [begin predictable response]
    If you just want to trigger samples from hardware, get Nanostudio. It's currently 7 bucks. You can import samples. You can import your entire sample library in one fell swoop with Nanosync (free desktop app available on their website). If you want to arrange them first and then import them, you can use http://luktown.org/random/trg/. You can also use the other two Beatstep sequencers to trigger Eden synths. :) It's universal. Comes with 6 tracks (you can load 6 different drum kits at once). Each drum machine has 16 pads and three busses. Each buss can have its own filter settings and effects chain.
    [/end predictable response]

    Full disclosure: I'm this forum's (the world's?) biggest NS fanboy. That said, the way you describe what you're looking for is how I've primarily been using Nanostudio for the past few months. I sequence externally and use it as a big bad multitimbral synth/sample player with good effects (other than the reverb... unless you like springy reverbs...which I do) and great sample management.

    I'll also add that if you're not into finding/creating/importing your own samples, there are a ton of other iOS drum machines (including DM1, Diode108, FunkBox, iMPC Pro) that both support MIDI In and come with much better default drum sample libraries. Maybe I'm just thoroughly over hearing them but NS' defaults leave a lot to be desired if'n you ask me. But yeah, at $7 bucks, you get an awful lot of app.

  • @syrupcore said:
    [begin predictable response]
    If you just want to trigger samples from hardware, get Nanostudio. It's currently 7 bucks. You can import samples. You can import your entire sample library in one fell swoop with Nanosync (free desktop app available on their website). If you want to arrange them first and then import them, you can use http://luktown.org/random/trg/. You can also use the other two Beatstep sequencers to trigger Eden synths. :) It's universal. Comes with 6 tracks (you can load 6 different drum kits at once). Each drum machine has 16 pads and three busses. Each buss can have its own filter settings and effects chain.
    [/end predictable response]

    Full disclosure: I'm this forum's (the world's?) biggest NS fanboy. That said, the way you describe what you're looking for is how I've primarily been using Nanostudio for the past few months. I sequence externally and use it as a big bad multitimbral synth/sample player with good effects (other than the reverb... unless you like springy reverbs...which I do) and great sample management.

    I'll also add that if you're not into finding/creating/importing your own samples, there are a ton of other iOS drum machines (including DM1, Diode108, FunkBox, iMPC Pro) that both support MIDI In and come with much better default drum sample libraries. Maybe I'm just thoroughly over hearing them but NS' defaults leave a lot to be desired if'n you ask me. But yeah, at $7 bucks, you get an awful lot of app.

    THX @syrupcore for the LUKTOWN.....dont know it, great!, i looked into Nanostudio last week again, its mooonths ago that i used it and, wow!, forgot how great this wonderfull piece of creativity works, since....years!, the sample/project management is superb! begin to build a ambient set yesterday with 3Nanostudios and other stuff, will play it tonight or tomorrow, share the vid after....its based around some work from Jan Gilhooly, who free (CC) his NanoStudio Projects....if you dont know it look&listen&download .nsp:
    https://acollectionofnotes.bandcamp.com/
    https://sites.google.com/site/jangilhooley/mymusic

    I am waiting for 'Nanostudio2, think it will be my FINAL DAW on the iWorld, try GarageBand...20minutes, delete, , Cubasis try it 2-3h, but, its....hmm, feels doughy, old, and not intuitiv, creativ....dont like it. feels not HOME.

  • @syrupcore said:
    [begin predictable response]
    If you just want to trigger samples from hardware, get Nanostudio. It's currently 7 bucks. You can import samples. You can import your entire sample library in one fell swoop with Nanosync (free desktop app available on their website). If you want to arrange them first and then import them, you can use http://luktown.org/random/trg/. You can also use the other two Beatstep sequencers to trigger Eden synths. :) It's universal. Comes with 6 tracks (you can load 6 different drum kits at once). Each drum machine has 16 pads and three busses. Each buss can have its own filter settings and effects chain.
    [/end predictable response]

    Full disclosure: I'm this forum's (the world's?) biggest NS fanboy. That said, the way you describe what you're looking for is how I've primarily been using Nanostudio for the past few months. I sequence externally and use it as a big bad multitimbral synth/sample player with good effects (other than the reverb... unless you like springy reverbs...which I do) and great sample management.

    I'll also add that if you're not into finding/creating/importing your own samples, there are a ton of other iOS drum machines (including DM1, Diode108, FunkBox, iMPC Pro) that both support MIDI In and come with much better default drum sample libraries. Maybe I'm just thoroughly over hearing them but NS' defaults leave a lot to be desired if'n you ask me. But yeah, at $7 bucks, you get an awful lot of app.

    Awesome post.

    @syrupcore are you on SoundCloud? I really wanna hear this stuff. I love Eden and want to hear what you're getting out of it.

    Also, thanks for coding that NanoStudio web based kit maker. It's great. I used it quite a bit to make kits.

    One question. Is it the case that samples on pads are only mono? Or am I getting confused with samples inside Eden?

  • Another idea... If a person didn't have a BSPro they could use Auxy for iPad and sequence 4 tracks of either NanoStudio Pads or Eden synth. All perfectly synced and super touch usable - clip style.

    Have you tried that @syrupcore ?

  • edited December 2015

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 I haven't tried it with Auxy but have with Genome and Pro MIDI. Works a charm.

    TRG samples are stereo, Eden samples are mono.

    I'm on soundcloud as syrupcore but haven't posted anything in an awfully long time. Most of what's up there is NS based though. There's a pretty obvious connection between me slowing on the posting stuff to Soundcloud and when AB came out! Now I spend most of my time ducking around instead of finishing stuff. Too. Much. Choice.

    Anyway... couple of NS bits:

    This one has a bunch of sampling. Mostly Thumbjam strings (some as loops, some as one-shots replayed in Eden), some found sounds recorded through the phone mic for random percussion bits and the obviously vocals (my friend sent me an accapella that I chopped to TRG pads). This was pre-iPad!

    This one is pure Eden. Some resampling for little reversey bits. Mostly imagined as something someone would rap over.

    Edit: Forgot that I've already posted these next two here before. Not trying to spam! The NSPs for them both are in this folder if anyone wants to lift bits: http://bridgeportmusic.com/audio/random2/

    This one uses a sample of me noodling on an acoustic guitar. Then I used Eden's slicer/sample start offset thing to make melodies up. It glitches some of the note starts but I grew to like it. Otherwise, it's basically an NS effects demo. You can hear the 'spring reverb' I described pretty clearly. :) Also, stacking compressors in the mixer for maximum smashology at some points.

    Another thing NS doesn't get enough credit for these days is just how easy it is to do a beat accurate resample of any part of a song. This was my first dub experiment in NS, right after the "new" effects stuff came out (was really just trying to explore what was possible with stacking delays+compressors). I'm not too crazy about it but the bit at 1:08 is a resample of the song that I loaded into an Eden and then messed with the pitch bender.

  • edited December 2015

    Not to totally thread hijack here but since I already have... another Nanostudio tip (I guess, depending on how you work). Make and save TRG kits that have 8 kicks and 8 snares. As many as you like. When you start on something, load a few up. This makes it really easy to go and find a kick/snare combo you like. Then, once settled, do an 'Edit>Pad copy' for the sounds you like and paste them to a fresh TRG and build the kit you're actually going to use.

    You can also make a template you always start from but be aware that NS will copy all of the samples into that project folder if you go that route. And every 'save as' will duplicate them.

    I told Matt I'd kill a puppy if NS2's TRG equivalent didn't have audition-in-place (start the sequence and then browse for a replacement while the sample is being triggered). He said he didn't really care about dogs.

    He didn't actually say that.

  • @syrupcore I've learned a lot from Dubillion. Can't say I've been able to put much of it into practice, but I hope to. It just the confidence of the sparse-ity of it that always gets me thinking. It's also good to hear a man on top of his machine. Feel we may have to send a team round and remove any other extraneous objects from your reach.

  • edited December 2015

    Cheers @JohnnyGoodyear. I forgot I'd posted the dub one's before. For MF2K no less when asked a similar question!

    The original thread https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/6774/gadget-synths-vs-eden-nanostudio/ Which has a link to several NSPs created by @kitejan https://sites.google.com/site/jangilhooley/mymusic

  • Thanx a lot @syrupcore ...That's excellent news. And I especially like your predictable response, which is really unpredictable to me...I am a fanboy of anything that works well.

    I just got Nano studio. From what you describe it sounds even better than I hoped.
    Thanks for your workflow, I basically do the same, my main interest was a stable drum machine, that works on channel 10.
    Diode 108 is broken, it doesn't work anymore. DM 1 has only 8 pads or so...
    Not a big fan of retronyms but if their machine works, why not.
    I am very much into importing my own samples of which I got ~60GB, so no problem there.
    My late replying is because of switching internet provider....2 days no internet
    Cheers

  • Yeah, without MIDI sync, Nanostudio is more like a 'drum brain' then a drum 'machine' at least as far as interacting with other apps/gear.

    Sorta surprised there isn't a Alesis D4/DM5/Emu Procussion type app available. Nothing but a drum sound player with controls dedicated to that purpose (vol, pan, pitch, dec, effects, note mapping, sample/kit import, done). Plenty of apps offer most of this but they all do way more.

    The MIDI in NS can be confusing at first. There are two modes. One is a sort of Omni In—whatever MIDI is being sent to it will play which ever instrument/track you have selected in the app. Good for when you're building a song and you just want your keyboard to control which ever track you've moved on to. The other version is more standard multitimbral MIDI mode where each track has a dedicated channel and will only be triggered by that channel. If you go to the track menu (upper left) and then hold down a track you can set the MIDI channel. In the same window, you can set MIDI Input transpose; the TRG is mapped from C3-D#4 and can't be changed but you can transpose the input to match whatever you pads are sending (presuming they're chromatic).

    There are also a fixed, limited set of controls that can be mapped to an external controller. You can find them in the Manage->MIDI->Mappings page.

  • Found the NSP for "Be My Husband" if anyone wants to have a go. Be warned, it's 50 megs! http://luktown.org/dropbox/collin/BeMyHusband-MileHighMix.nsp

  • Good to remember, ....

  • @syrupcore , I have mixed feelings about NS....why are things so complicated in Nanostudio?
    Also, NS is not capable to be sequenced on 3 channels at a time, meaning I have to switch to drums to hear them, or to one of the synths, but one at a time....and I have enabled play in background...
    Bizarre that the drum pads need to be touched twice in order to play....

  • @syrupcore said:
    [begin predictable response]
    If you just want to trigger samples from hardware, get Nanostudio. It's currently 7 bucks. You can import samples. You can import your entire sample library in one fell swoop with Nanosync (free desktop app available on their website). If you want to arrange them first and then import them, you can use http://luktown.org/random/trg/. You can also use the other two Beatstep sequencers to trigger Eden synths. :) It's universal. Comes with 6 tracks (you can load 6 different drum kits at once). Each drum machine has 16 pads and three busses. Each buss can have its own filter settings and effects chain.
    [/end predictable response]

    Full disclosure: I'm this forum's (the world's?) biggest NS fanboy. That said, the way you describe what you're looking for is how I've primarily been using Nanostudio for the past few months. I sequence externally and use it as a big bad multitimbral synth/sample player with good effects (other than the reverb... unless you like springy reverbs...which I do) and great sample management.

    Well it's good to be a fan boy, if things work well for you and you master them....I think I will use NS as a drum machine only, by creating a number of kits in the view that I can switch between...To have a great sampler with 16 pads and the FX on the side etc....well worth the 7 bucks....
    Plus the link to create kits is great, thanks for that

  • @soundklinik said:
    Also, NS is not capable to be sequenced on 3 channels at a time, meaning I have to switch to drums to hear them, or to one of the synths, but one at a time....and I have enabled play in background...

    See my note above about "MIDI in NS..." It describes how to handle what you're running into. (You need to turn off omni)

    Bizarre that the drum pads need to be touched twice in order to play....

    Only when you have the edit screen open and only for the first touch. First touch selects which pad you're editing. Subsequent touches trigger the pad.

  • edited December 2015

    @syrupcore said:

    @soundklinik said:
    Also, NS is not capable to be sequenced on 3 channels at a time, meaning I have to switch to drums to hear them, or to one of the synths, but one at a time....and I have enabled play in background...

    See my note above about "MIDI in NS..." It describes how to handle what you're running into. (You need to turn off omni)

    Bizarre that the drum pads need to be touched twice in order to play....

    Only when you have the edit screen open and only for the first touch. First touch selects which pad you're editing. Subsequent touches trigger the pad.

    Thanks, appreciate your FB...

    Even with its strange logic, it's a great app. Thanks for the tips and help

  • It's not really all that strange. Indeed, OMNI in is a really nice/thoughtful feature. I already described why above so I won't again but I think NS MIDI In provides for both described scenarios as well as is possible. If you approach it as 'my scenario is how it should be coded' it can be frustrating (been there) but if you take a couple of minutes to understand the merits of the how/why it's configurable I think it's pretty much how it ought to be.

  • @syrupcore said:
    The other version is more standard multitimbral MIDI mode where each track has a dedicated channel and will only be triggered by that channel.

    What i really like to use with Nanostudio is my Akai Synthstation25.
    Its just 30PIN, but Nanostudio runs on my old iphone4 without any compromise!

    http://forums.blipinteractive.co.uk/node/1284

    The 8x button right of it
    DRUMS = MidiCh.-
    Synth1 = MidiCh.+
    Synth2 = switch to The Instrument overview
    Synth3 = switch to Song Seq.
    Programm prev = ProgrammChange - (Change Sound of the Instr.)
    Programm prev = ProgrammChange + (Change Sound of the Instr.)
    Octave down / up = Octave down / up

    incredible smooth usability

    get it for a few bugs @ebay....

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