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A looper that can sync tempo with a live drummer?
Hey folks.
I know Ableton has the ablity to sync the tempo with a live drummer. But, I'm wondering if there is an iPad app that can loop a sound and sync the tempo to an external beat. Launchpad or Loopy don't have this feature do they? Or am I missing something?
Example:
I want to loop the upbeat bleep sound at the beggining of David Bowie's 'Fashion'. And for it to stay on the upbeat even after it is turned off and turned back on. A drummer can speed up or slow down ever so slightly when the sound is not playing and turning the sample back on and having it be locked in tempo is a crap shoot.
Thanks in advance!
Will
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I can't think of one. If anyone knows, it'd be @supadom.
Nope, I don't and I don't think there is one either. Even if there was one I doubt I'd want to use it with all the excitable trigger happy drummers out there
The click is like a chain.
How about a live drummer who can keep synch with a looper
The missing piece of the puzzle is a looper or sequencer you could get back on the 1 with a button push. That paired with a tap tempo would make it possible to play all this great electronic stuff with a live band, without headphones.
It can actually work alright, tapping in a tempo, and then dropping a sequenced thing in with a live band. It will drift, if the drummer can't hear it well, but you have several bars of good synchronicity, if you and the drummer have even just decent rhythm.
the Digitech looper pedals have sync capability, but your best bet is probably along these lines:
Feed the loop continuously into the drummer's monitor mix, while muting it in the mains when you don't want it.
Loopy definitely has MIDi control for both of these (tap tempo and start over)
Have you seen Digitech's new release? With SDrum, the rhythm is created from the pulsation in the strings of the guitar. very practical. Praying for an iOS app to do that too ;-)
After years of playing with drummers and experimenting with loopers... the only thing that works is sending a click and parts of the mix to my drummers in-ear monitors. Find you a drummer who can play to a click. Also if your drummer wants to have control over the click and hitting the sample at the right time, they could use one of these...
< Ableton has the ablity to sync the tempo with a live drummer. >
I tried the Max4Live preset that is available from their site a while back <= £10
it was a bit hit or miss but might just have required more time for our percussionist to work it out and get sync. The idea was to use it to then drive Ableton-Link in order to have a live drummer percussionist controlling the AL setup - but result wasnt conclusive.
sometimes use midi link sync. in tap >> sync mode the first tap re triggers Ableton link.
I had a minor disaster at a festival this summer looping with a drummer who was using a speaker wedge monitor of the whole mix. There were times where I couldn't tell whether the apps were running out of sync with each other or the drummer was drifting. I was too tired to try and work it out and ended up putting my looping rig away and getting random musicians on stage for a jam. Fortunately it was 3 am and most of the people were gone to sleep otherwise it would have been harder to digest.
Click is the best unless you have a full control over the well proven equipment and plenty of time for sound set up before the gig.
The only app I know aside the m4l patch was circular-logic inTime plug.
http://www.circular-logic.com/products.html
If I need to make something like this I will go the drumpad route (like sps) which can send midi clock and become the internal click for the drummer but obviously under his/her control. That could feed others clock (and Ableton link too) as Master transport tic.
Attach a tap into the kick drum (or just a pedal sitting near) could work too and will be less hassle.
Fast variation or bizarre patterns like Jojo Mayer will be maybe hard to implement... another chance is a kaoss pad 3 or similar as beat analyzer but again add a midi pedal for tapping just in case things go wrong.
Finally in the opposite way where drummer follows external tic maybe the most reliable option could be pre-recorded material with muted tic (only available for the drummer) but trainned as full mix from start to end and the loop capture punch in/out points also trainned more than "on the fly"... or just don't care about any of this and simply go psycodlic rock route and enjoy the madness
read the bottom section about sending midi beat clock to synchronize a host.
Obviously all hosts refuse external triggers, but if another app accepts external clock it's at least not a technical problem.
http://teragonaudio.com/BeatCounter.html
Live Beat detection (as mentioned before) is mostly a challenge of picking the proper trigger signal (the kick may not be active in some situations) and the drummer isn't switching tempo instantanously, so there's some transition, etc.
Similiar to the common tap tempo thing which isn't always spot on either