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Ableton Link: who's driving the car?
Apologies if this is a really stupid question, but I haven't had much time yet to test out Link yet...
What I mean by "who's driving the car" is "what/where is the sequencing of the track being controlled from?".
Obviously, you can build up drum pattern sequences in a drum machine, but what about the riffs and different synth sections that will make up the rest of a track? How do you sequence those?
If I'm doing a track in Cubasis I'd do it from there, but it seems that the only DAW-like app with Link is Gadget, but presumably that still only sequences its own synths?
I'm really excited about Link cos it seems like a brave new world of sync on iOS, but I'm struggling with the above concept a bit...
DISCLAIMER: I'm really jet-lagged and tired, having just returned from a faraway holiday - so I may be being a total idiot and missing something that's staring me in the face!
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Link only has to do with keeping time. It doesn't send notes or sequence anything. And in fact, no one is driving. Any app can change tempo. Any app can enter or leave as they please without affecting other apps. The model is a band playing... anyone can jump in at any time, anyone can change their tempo and the others will follow (well... in a good band....).
This sounds like a good time for a tour bus or roadie joke............................
maybe the question should be "who spins the top?"
and the answer is "anyone" Anyone can start it, anyone can reach in and adjust it. Otherwise it just keeps spinning.
Ok, that helps a bit, thanks @benkamen!
So, if I want to sequence synth riffs (rather than play them myself over and over) I'll need a synth app which has an inbuilt sequencer of some kind?
Is that right? If so, which Link enabled apps can do this? Other than Gadget, obvz
Having a bit of a 'stupid' day today, but I can't wait to get to grips with this properly!!
Is triqtraq what I'm looking for?
You're looking for KORG Gadget. http://audiob.us/get/576/KORG-Gadget
I think you want a MIDI sequencer to record and playback MIDI notes to another iOS synth.
This might do it http://audiob.us/get/989/Fugue-Machine and it has Link
I think you are exactly right sir - I'd just concluded that Fugue Machine is probably what I'm after
Care to expand on this ?
I too am not quite getting how Link might fit in with things, unless one is primarily syncing things together for live performance. I may well be missing something fundamental.
No - I use Gadget all the time, and one of the reasons I do is that its internal sync is so much better than everything else (previous to Link coming along)
As @Hmtx says above what I want is a MIDI sequencer to record and playback MIDI notes to another iOS synth.
Is Fugue Machine right for this @Sebastian? And if so, would the synth app it would be triggering need to be a Link enabled one?
Fugue is great for that! I tested Fugue/Link on Animoog, iSEM, Nave, FM4, Laplace and Gadgets instruments. All good. Even along Loopy, Elastic drums and Patterning. It works...
Now THAT is what I wanted to hear!! Thanks @Peanutcram!
App Store here I come...
Ok, so I got it now I think - as suggested by @Peanutcram I got Fugue and hooked it up through Audiobus with Patterning, Gadget, and iSEM... Got some riffs and beats coming out of all of them in perfect sync
It worked like a charm and all I can say is WOW. This is some serious next level shit.
Link is incredible and Fugue really great too... Can't wait til some more apps get on board
BRAVO, congratulations to everyone involved! :-)
It does work. Still feels a little miraculous.
We need more midi sequencers to get on board with link, basically.
@Sebastian, a Question about Link regarding live performance vs. music production. Say you have 4 Link-enabled apps in the input of AudioBus; and Cubasis or Auria in the output slot. Can the DAW, Cubasis or Auria send MIDI Clock to one of the Link enabled apps; so that the rest of the apps are locked in sync; and the DAW record the audio output of each app to separate DAW tracks, and be in sync with the DAW?
If one of the input apps receives external virtual MIDI Clock, would starting the DAW's play/record transport, automatically start all the other apps; and stay in sync while recording?
In other words, is Link good for production; and not just live performance?
Yep. Sure they're in the works.
Yes we do... As cool as Fugue is, it's not a full midi sequencer...
And as excellent as the internal midi functionality is in Gadget, it's not much good in this context if it can't sequence anything other than its own synths - which as good as they are I am getting a little tired of the same choices time and again...
And Gadget isn't a proper DAW, for example you can't EQ a damn thing! Don't get me wrong, it's a very cool app which I use all the time, but for best results you need to import from Gadget into Cubasis to really get things sounding right
STEINBERG ARE YOU LISTENING?!?!
That would be very cool... But I'm pretty sure it doesn't do that
That's a very good question: all the Link enabled apps are of an an electronic music variety, and Audiobus Remote seems to be more a live performance tool.
However, electronic music is rarely produced/recorded live. It's also quite rare for it to be actually genuinely performed live when it's being 'performed live', although these tools will of course help with that....
But to have actually got the gig and be doing those live performances in the first place, you generally need to have some great recorded material - which with electronic music is rarely produced live...
My workflow is often like this:
So for the second (crucial) stage where the track is born really - I think Link is going to be absolutely invaluable..
That was my question too, essentially.
I think you can send/receive midi clock with Link active in Loopy;-)
Having played with it for a little while now and working out how I could use it in a production workflow, my answer to that is a definite yes - especially when more apps get Link enabled