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iOS vs Cheap FX pedals
Anyone have any experience with these cheap pedals?
I've been using Tonestack and am wondering if buying 1,2 or all of these is a good idea. Any comments on how the echo($66CAD), reverb($66CAD), and fuzz($34CAD) pedals would compare?
http://www.pashop.com/products/detail/Behringer/Echo-Machine-EM600/
http://www.pashop.com/products/detail/Behringer/Reverb-Machine-RV600/
http://www.pashop.com/products/detail/Behringer/Super-Fuzz-SF300/
OR..are there better hardware alternatives to these at this price in your opinion?
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Sounds aren't horrible but the construction is. Made of plastic. I broke 3 different ones. I swear by EHX and TC helicon. Check out the Tone Print Series
Delay: http://www.tcelectronic.com/flashback-mini-delay/
Reverb: http://www.tcelectronic.com/hall-of-fame-mini-reverb/
Overdrive: http://www.tcelectronic.com/mojomojo-overdrive/
The first two are knockoffs of the line 6 tonecore pedals, the originals are great. You can often find them used for >$50. If you are in the U.S., I'd check craigslist, or the used section at guitarcenter.com for a deal. The Echo Park is a fantastic sounding delay, and the tap tempo dual foot switch (which the plastic behringer doesn't have) is a great format for a compact pedal.
iOS stuff is good sounding too, just fiddlier to set up. If you want a delay available all of the time, and be able to immediately reach over and turn a knob, without flipping through screens on the iPad, a pedal is a good investment.
The "reverb machine" is a knockoff of the line 6 verbzilla, also one of my favorite reverb pedals. It's better noticeably than the ehx holy grail series. The ehx cathedral is great as well, but costs more. I have 2 of the verbzillas!
I had one or two of these (octaver and synth) and wasn't very impressed especially compared to ts. When it comes to amp sims probably beats any sub £200 hardware but I only have a minimal experience with those, mainly sansa but I'm mostly into clean sound.
I have the verb pedal and I like it. I also have several others, a chorus pedal, an overdrive a couple of the DI pedals which are copies of some Tec21 products.
I don't notice any excess noise or hiss. They sound fine for my purposes.
Mixed in well with the worship band I think these pedals do a fine job and I have the sounds I need at an affordable price.
I also have some expensive pedals, and some boss pedals.
Now, the pedals might be a bit fragile, but they sound ok.
Thanks. I have no experience with real pedals. These cheap behringers although made of plastic seem to sound alright so are tempting. I'm especially intrigued by the ECho machine pedal.
But maybe ideally I get a quality pedal, then save for another quality pedal and do the quality over quantity thing.
I'll take a look at all these suggestions.
What type of pedal do you want the most?
There is a very good reason that Behringer pedals have a horrible reputation.
EchoMachine is just amazing and extremely fun to use.
I saw it in many pro-studio.
I just had such a great time with tonestack and keyboard. I'm really going to need pedals to test side by side with TS to decide what I can live with and without. I'm pretty happy as is, but....could I be happier?
Although pretty sure I could have lived without the motherload 2.0 upgrade.
^ this.
Just don't. Unless you need a replacement for a gig that night and only have $30 in your pocket... just don't.
If you're considering all three, I'd suggest you find a used Boss GT-Anything on Craiglist or your local guitar shop. It will sound as good if not way way better, offer many more effects at once (and those, by default, will sound better than zero!), not have 6 different connections to go bad (3 in, 3 out... oh 9: plus 3 for power jacks) and are made of metal or road worthy sturdy plastic. That is, it will be as good or better and will still be as good or better in a year when these all shit out on you. I gigged my gt-3 for nearly a decade and it still works like a champ. That's just not a thing for Behringer anything, and certainly not guitar pedals.
I know some folks get on just fine with Behringer products but I've been swindled by them too many times to even consider anything they make. Total waste of money. Even the stuff that doesn't crap out in 6 months... when AB'd to the thing they're (questionably) ripping off, isn't worth the price drop—the originals sounds way better. The originals, almost always, have fewer 'features' which is part of their schtick but additional features are just additional points of failure in crappily made products.
One exception to the above, for me anyway, is the FCB-1010. A tank but don't let 3-5 'good' products in line/vintage with 250-500 products fool you.
Just don't!
Also, fwiw, used iPod Touches and used iPad 1s go for under 100 on the bay. If you like Tonestack, just keep using it. If you want foot control, find a used MIDI pedal.
I have the Digital MultiFx FX 600 and the sound is good is p,astic yes but i use it with my hand on my desktop, i want to bought the echomachine and reverb too mostly for the color lol, i have the LIne6 M5 and is really good is all metal but juts one fx per time, maybe you should thing in the Zoom CDR. I dont have but it look and sounds great
Good all-rounder for little cash are the zoom stomps. I have the MS 100bt and for the money it's pretty solid. The reverbs are a bit meh but i like the delays and the amp sims.
I've used zoom pedals for years and again, just like with beringer I wasn't swept off my feet by the effects. Especially the multieffect pedals sound mushy to me. The last one I've owned was MS50G. Tried to like it but the quality (especially the amp sims) combined with a small screen or need of computer for editing just didn't do it for me.
If it is for live use I would personally invest in the better brand individual pedals + real amp, maybe one of the new valve boutique ones. For home studio use ipad all the way.
I personally think that iOS is pulling away from anything available in foot pedal format. I own a Zoom G3X multi-effects, which is a good sounding unit, but I really think that BIAS FX and Tonestack sound better and do way more, for less money. The only reason to have a cheap floor pedal really would be for playing live.
Thank you all for getting me off the behringer pedals. I'm looking at TC, Boss, EHX and others instead.
But honestly, if it's not for live use you'll be better off with tonestack/bias and a foot controller/audio interface
I have the Behringer clones of the old Boss DM2 analog delay and Dimension-C analog chorus units, and they're actually pretty good sounding for the money. I wouldn't trust stomping on them, but I just use them on a desktop with some synths. However, the appeal of those units is that they clone expensive analog pedals. As all the units you're looking at are digital, you can do way better in software, iOS or otherwise. I'll also second the recommendation for the Zoom MS-100BT. Absolutely the best bang for your buck right now for a multieffect if you're on a budget. That said, the amp and distortion are a bit weak IMHO, and I have found some effects can get pretty steppy when you turn the knobs (particularly the Moog emulation filter), but it is also designed as a guitar pedal and not for realtime tweaking.
+1000
Hasn't Behringer taken over TC ?
Yes.
Although I've been using a zoom b1on fur the past year and it is great. That's for bass though and I've refined how I use it over the test, finding out what it does well and using that part. It runs into a tech 21 vt bass.
Yes, but I hope to god they don't pass that Behringer quality control on to TC (maker of very good products)
Just want to chime in as efficiently as possible because I've had a lot of experience with both the software, multi-FX, and pedal options out there.
If you're just interested in home practice, much of which is with headphones, the Zoom G1on is pretty incredible for that. Cable into the unit, headphone jack out, and you've got a totally portable practice solution with great Fender and Vox sounds, and some passable gainy sounds if you play with it, all for $49.99. Even better, it has a 40-second looper and simple drum machine.
Can't recommend the Behringer pedals, due to build quality, but that's basically been covered.
The iPad software is the most cost-effective way to get the biggest variety of sounds. And it's built into an ecosystem that allows for looping, recording, mixing with other instruments, etc. Get a cheap 3.5 mm AUX cable, run out to a computer speaker or small amp (like the Blackstar Fly3), and it sounds pretty good.
I don't enjoy the iPad software as much as I do traditional pedals when it comes to using traditional combo amps and a louder, amplified experience. Check out the Chinese clones from Joyo, Caline, and Mooer for some good cheap alternatives that sound surprisingly good.
+1 on the Mooers.
If you consider the second iOS device route and budget is an issue, lemme put in a tiny plug for the original peavey Ampkit Link. It's not as good as a usb audio interface but as long as you're not doing tons of high gain amp sims and you're careful with gain staging in and out (hint: turn your headphone level down) it's a totally workable solution for prolly $20 bucks at this point.
Anyone know about Donner and this pedal in particular? $69CAD. Tap tempo and a looper. sounds ok?
Avoid Donner too? A step up from Behringer? just curious.
Would love to get one of these(or one of them phi echolutions) and sleep well at night, but $$$
Ok, I realize now there aren't many reasons to buy a cheaply made pedal when you can get a good quality pedal for a few bucks more. I thought they'd all cost more than i'm finding now.
Two things I would recommend before you get those:
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If you rather go for separate pedals, look at the Joyo pedals sold on Amazon. They are simply the very best bang for your buck!
I use these live at church and the tone is incredible! I have the American Tone, the ACtone, Ultimate overdrive pedals and these feed into the Zoom G
5. Truly amazing tone.
The pedals average about $30 bucks each and are solidly made. Built like little tanks!
http://www.amazon.com/Joyo-JF-02-Overdrive-featuring-components/dp/B00
Two things I would recommend before you get those:
2.
If you rather go for separate pedals, look at the Joyo pedals sold on Amazon. They are simply the very best bang for your buck!
I use these live at church and the tone is incredible! I have the American Tone, the ACtone, Ultimate overdrive pedals and these feed into the Zoom G
5. Truly amazing tone.
The pedals average about $30 bucks each and are solidly made. Built like little tanks!
http://www.amazon.com/Joyo-JF-02-Overdrive-featuring-components/dp/B00
Would generally agree with @Tones4Christ - the individual effect pedals from Joyo (particularly those numbered JF-01 to JF-17) are terrific, cheap, and solidly made.
You asked about the Donner Black Arts pedal. I really like the Donner brand for the micro pedal stuff (Morpher, Yellow Fall, Tutti Love Chorus, etc.). But the simpler the better with the Asian import stuff. Once you start getting into to more "computer like" digital effects with displays, I'd stick with a more reputable manufacturer. The cost savings are less on those pedals and there is basically zero customer service if you have a glitch or failure. If that happens on a 30 dollar dirt box, who cares? But if I'm paying 50 dollars, 75 dollars, or more, there are a lot of options in those ranges.
So, to recap: Joyo, Donner, and Caline all highly recommended if you are looking at the $30 ones and sticking to simple effects.
For multi-FX, the Zoom G1on ($50) or G3 ($150) are outstanding - same basic sound models, but the G3 is better built, has different audio hookups and more features.