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HELP! : MusicApp snipe hunt... Need MIDI sequencer with step _PLAYBACK_!
OK, I've spent an insane amount of money in the app store, and I think I've worn our Google's servers looking for this...
tl;dr: **I'm looking for a step sequencer that works like pretty much every other step sequencer out there in terms of programming, features, automation, etc. but that will allow step-by-step playback only when it receives assignable (i.e. I get to pick channel & note) NOTE ON messages. Receive NOTE 60 on Channel 9, play step & STOP, wait for next NOTE 60...
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First, background on WHY I need this...
I'm an eDrummer. I'm pretty technical, been using MIDI for years.
On most of Roland's drum modules there is an on-board sequencer. One of the playback options allows the sequence to play back, one "step" or note at a time every time you hit a pad/trigger/note. Unless I've been horribly lax in my searching and trials, I can't find a single sequencing app in iOS (or on my PC for that matter), that will replicate this functionality.
The big issue with just using a Roland module, is that the sequencer does not send OUT the trigger signals. So even if I wanted to buy a cheap old TD-6 JUST for for the sequencer playback, it would not help with external sound sources...
So, as this forum is so deep with people that seem to has scoured the nether regions of the app store...
Has anyone seen a step sequencer that will allow you to assign a "trigger" midi note to a track, pattern, etc. so that every time it get's a NOTE ON message from an assignable midi channel that it will step forward one step, wait for next step, etc...?
I've tried hacking something together with various midi mappers & routers to set midi play/stop commands to various seq's and it never works... There's always a snag...
My mind is blown that there's not a sequencing app, midi triggering solution, etc. out there that deals with this as in my mind, there's SOOOO many applications for this kind of functionality...
Here's an example...
Set up an external MIDI controller/pad thingy to send various note to my mythical magical apparently not yet developed sequencer to trigger PC & CC messages on various channels, one step at a time, to "step through" synth patches as you work through a set list.
It seems like such an obvious feature, maybe I'm just looking for the wrong "terms" when I look for "step playback..."
Anyway, any ideas?
Coudl I hack something like this in Lemur or something? I've seen people build sequencers in it, but no idea if it would support my idea of one step at a time playback.
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Checkpoint question: have you tried whatever sequencer (no idea which) with MidiFlow?
MidiFlow (with it's IAP's) usually can handle most things I can think up. Admittedly I only grasped part of what you are after before I went for the midiflow link, but it is a divider: either you already have tried it, and failed, and if that is the case I'm out of ideas, or you haven't tried it and it will be the answer you are looking for.
http://www.midiflow.com/
You just need to wait for @syrupcore to show up
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Yup, bought pretty much EVERY midimanager in the IOS store. Emailed the dev to deal with issues, etc. Not going to work. The app introduces too much latency into the midi signal. Prob. not enough for a keyboard player to notice, but it drops notes, notes get hung on, etc. when I do rolls, etc... Plus it's just WAYYYY to cumbersome to do anything complex that needs to change very often. And I'ts not like i'm a MIDI noob.. I've managed to create some pretty complex maps in MIDIOX for pete's sake, so that's sayin' something...
MIDIBridge's StreamByter MAY have potential, but it's still such a monumental hack to do what I want I'm just PRAYING that there's a step seq with what i neeed built in... Or a step seq developer that will take handfulls of cash from me to support what I need...
BUT...
If you have a specific way to use MIDIFlow to allow per step playback with any step sequencer, I'm willing to give it another try...
I'm not understanding what this means...
Oscilab, ModStep, Genome, or BeatMaker 2?
Sorry MidifFlow didn't help. That probably also means I have no clue what you are looking for. To me it sounds like you want to send a note to be able to play a note but that the played note should be coming from a sequencer, which should walk one step forward (play a note) and then stop & wait. As that would be crossing the bridge to get water and I can't imagine any scenario where that would be useful I am guessing I have completely misunderstood what you are trying to do.
Here's another usage example... Program a scale or baseline or chord progression into my mysterious, non-existent seq that is set to play those notes on a synth that's connected to channel 1.
Program it so it steps forward one step every time it gets sent midi note 20 on channel 9.
Imagine I have my kick drum trigger set to send midi note 20 on channel 9.
Every time I play the kick drum, it will then step into the sequence one note, and stop. Not play note 20 on 9, but the next note in the sequence, and send that to the synth on channel 1.
If it was me, I'd look into creating/programming my own sequencer set up in one of the following:
-AnalogKit
-Lemur
Or possibly TC-Data (which would do it with touch triggering, but I'm pretty sure it won't take midi in).
Sunvox might be a possibility too. Maybe Jasuto (if it has a sequencer module).
I think you're probably looking at building your own sequencer with one of these midi tool boxes to do what you want.
@syrupcore just knows an awful lot about sequencers and midi....
Thanks @Matt_Fletcher_2000!
OMG.. TC-Data (which I had in my wish list for other reasons) is soooooooooo close!!! They have:
Trigger: Description:
Sequencer # •→• Trigger sent when a Sequencer steps to its
next value. Cycles through to the next
available touch voice
But as you said, they just pass through midi in!!! ARRGGH!!! It's like the developer world is just taunting me by having things that are 98% of what I need!
I don't think this exists. At least the last time I looked for it it (or tried to cook it up). If I'm understanding this correctly, you want a sequencer that has no clock - you enter a string of notes and then it plays them in order whenever you send some signal to it, in this case midi note 60.
It does seem like spending an evening with MIDIFlow and @midiSequencer should yield this but I haven't dug back into trying this in a while. Seems like mapping note #60 to 'play' in mS and getting it to 'play current step and move forward' is within the realm of its possibilities but I'm not sure if it exists at the moment.
It'd be very cool to see this in midiSTEPs as well but for now anyways, it's not possible.
modstep might do this, but I haven't checked.
You can definitely do this in Lemur. I recently created a Lemur template that's designed to step through chord progressions from a single trigger, similar to what you are talking about - though not sure if it's 8 steps per trigger would be what you're looking for, as it's designed more for foot control.
You can see it here:
https://liine.net/en/community/user-library/view/638/
There are several other templates in the user section that also have components of what you're talking about.
Regardless, very doable, and Lemur does have some sequencing objects. You'd probably have to do some scripting.
Just saw this, as well -
This is 'exactly' what my template does. I built a lot of additional functionality into this for live use, including a full Device Manager for up to 12 devices - any of which can be assigned to, or layered from, a single trigger using the 8 available tracks. Also has 48 midi assignable presets available to manage progressions and device settings.
Take a look at the User Guide
https://www.dropbox.com/s/314mz16v3w5bqq3/ChordMonkeyManual.pdf?dl=0
@rad3d Awesome! I'm going to dig into this more! I kinda thought lemur might do something as I've read its powerful, but it's hard to tell from a lot of vids that just make it look like an OSC with funky Tron graphics for $20.
@MonkeyDrummer Yup, Lemur's turf is a little more as a touch screen controller for other devices - and it's great for that - but the more I started working with it, the more I found it to be good for building certain levels of app-like functionality. If you're OK with a little scripting, it's a great MIDI IO tool.