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.....has a proper portamento when playing legato strings f.e.
Is there anything recommended?
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Lyra (in Auria Pro) has portamento and between the default samples and various soundfonts I have added, it can have a good range of orchestral sounds.
Thank's! I will looking for some demos..... I still wonder about the lack of proper videos out there in general when it comes to iOS apps!
It's a problem for me since the beginning and i hope some day developers understand that this can have a giant impact of sales!!!!!
And NO, not the way Retronyms did it.....
Agree +100. Proper videos are so important. If it wasn't for the SoundTestRoom, I don't think I would have bothered with many apps.
I think that any sample based instrument is going to achieve portamento by pitch-shifting the sample, right? I find I can't apply more than 2 half-tones to a string sample without it sounding super unnatural.
A proper portamento would actually have to kind of seamlessly morph between the sustain section of one sample to the sustain section of another sample as you bend. A modelled string sound could do that easier, I guess.
I haven't played any fantastic sounding string patches in ios that weren't sample based. The best ones I've used have been downloaded soundfonts played in BS-16i. (The "Strings Big Slow" sf2 is breathtaking).
I've been using the SSO samples with Auria Pro in Lyra, but I haven't looked at changing portamento.
Take a look here (more descriptive of the process in AP):
https://www.facebook.com/MusicInclusive/posts/980380285374174
and here (couple of sound examples out of AP in this thread albeit Notion is the focus here):
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=980708998674636&set=a.623683704377169.1073741825.100002066365174&type=3
for what I've been doing with it:
Yes, i would much prefer something which is recorded with real samples in real portamento instead of synthetic pitch bending.
F.e. i still can´t believe how expressive i can play "Emotional Cello" just via my macbook keys because i can keyswitch very fast from legato to legato portamento and articulations etc. I´m sure it is the best available out there in this area and expensive (but still a bargain for me for what it does) but i would still be happy if there is an iOS thingie which comes a bit closer to this experience. A cello would be prefered here too.
Edit:
This here is an example where i just made a 2 1/2 minutes improved play with it. The different when changing to portamento is huge. This is just one (of 50) articulations called played this way.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y315celjtxpe78g/Dreaming.mp3?dl=0
So what would be the clostest possible thing for iOS to this yet.
I plan to order an iPad Pro and will test it 2 weeks and decide if i hold it or not then. In this short time i need to put it to the max and see how far i can go here yet.
Thank´s for the help all!
The closest way to approach this manually (i.e. playing live) is to use Thumbjam and set the slide between notes on.
I already tryed that and while ThumbJam is a fantastic midi controller it doesn´t come close enough here. I think the main thing in this VST is that there is an algorithm which change the speed of the glide in realtime depending on how fast you play and most important the portamento/legato is recorded in real..... but not 100% sure!
What about iSymphonic?
Working with articulation changes on iOS is hard to do - at least it's hard to orchestrate well because one has to either have automatic multi-instrument channel switching or key switching.
If you have a single MIDI line that in score changes between arco and pizzi for example, there's no way to easily notate that except by splitting the lines out into individual MIDI tracks and feeding those to different articulated voices - e.g. in Lyra, TJ, iSymphonic Orchestra etc. or to add specific Key-switching in the score/MIDI itself (using unplayed low keys such as C0-C12 etc. ) But, you do have to add those manually.
Been discussing that with some folks over at iPM recently. It's one of the reasons that using iOS for this is still not close to what one can do on the desktop.
In notation programs such as Notion, it's automatic but can only be used with their supplied sample libraries (which aren't bad actually LSO samples), but it's something that's taken for granted in desktop notation software where there are mappings or switching rules that do this automatically vs. sample libraries, (or, it's easy to build such rules - I'm about to embark on doing that in desktop Notion for a new sample library that uses key switch changes but for which there is no extant mapping).
Doing it in MIDI is tedious, esp. for a lot of articulation changes. One can have multiple such changes in a single bar of music and either splitting those out into individual tracks say in Auria Pro for MIDI triggering of different instruments or by adding key switch changes is manually intensive. Multiply that by a 200 bar piece such as I'm currently working on and it's boggling to do by hand.
iSymphonic Orchestra supports the multi-channel approach, but it's not a broad enough sample set (yet) for me to consider using it. Hence I've been working with the SSO soundfonts in Lyra. Even so, you still have to encode those changes in your driving MIDI.
Thank's a lot! I will see what i can do!
Maybe some day Kontakt for iOS?..... would solve that all
Or VSL libraries or something... Oh wait - not enough memory or storage space
I watched the Lyra demo from TSTR now and it sounds pretty good. Lyra is indeed the most interesting iOS tool for me today. Especially since there was a hint that it has a huge list of parameters and even a scrypting engine in it's back!
I hope this will be unleashed in near future!
Yep...but that Emotional Cello f.e. has "just" about 5GB in very high quality but the scrypting on this is brilliant and it sounds like a 100 GB's
Riiiight @Cinebient, but, multiply that by a whole orchestra and multiple articulations per instrument and we're talking about the 2024 iPad super mega maxi Pro plus extreme - with 2TB of storage to hold them all and 16GB of RAM and a faster CPU of course
It's actually pretty nice what the SSO samples do with a lot less.
one thing I really, really like in iOS Garageband is the piano roll articulations for the Smart Strings and Smart Guitar. In the piano roll for Smart Strings, you can assign any individual note to be staccato, legato or pizz. (The Smart Guitar just lets you choose normal or muted).
I don't know of any other iOS apps that let you choose articulations within a single track.
That's good @JonLewis - but it's still short of what one should be able to notate / render for full expression on say, a violin, like snap pizzi, natural harmonic, spiccato, sul pont., mute, tenuto, measured tremolo of different numbers of repeats, etc.
The nice thing about Notion is you get all of those options and more.
E.g.
I should have said 'any other piano-roll apps' because I knew that about Notion, that's in fact the whole reason I bought it, and I really need to man up and develop my facility with it.
it even has flutter tongue IIRC?
Correct @JonLewis. Join us over in the Notion Users FB group too if you would like
When I find myself fiddling with string sections I always get to the conclusion that it would be a thousand of time better, easier and cheaper to hire a actual half decent violin player.
If one is only orchestrating perhaps a section and a single instrument, that might be true @mschenkel.it, although, still probably not, but if you are composing or instrumenting a full orchestral piece, then working with a full orchestra isn't really an option - unless you are John Williams
Ooops - I didn't mean C0-C12 above of course
Meant C0-C1 (or B0 perhaps). But you know what I meant I'm sure. 