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Apogee Duet user looking for a more "midi friendly" environment....
Hi,
for those who own an Apogee Duet with their iPad, (I myself own one for a year now), I really need your help, experience or information about the midi integration.
I know the Duet (iOS) has been thought as a straightforward professional recording environment, with a minimal midi integration.
Before the Duet I owned a Scarlett 6i6 (and still use it), plugged to a powered USB hub, and this configuration allows me to use an Arturia MiniLab and a Novation Launchkey Mini plugged to the USB hub, and have my Meeblip plugged to the Scarlett out midi DIN. Lately I bought a MicroBrute which midi could be connected with the USB cable to the hub, or to a midi box plugged to the Scarlett.
All this description to say that I can't work without midi, I'm a fan of midi sequencer apps, and when I use Genome, MultiTrackStudio or the very good new MODSTEP, allo my gears are running together, without any connection problems.
So, I would like to know if you are aware, or maybe even using, of a device (or a the association of two devices) which would allow me to use more than just a midi keyboard.
When I find an interesting device on the web, it's impossible to know if you can use it with the Duet. A device like the Kenton midi USB Host plugged to the Duet would be the idea. A user told me the iConnectivity MIO was compatible but it's just one DIN connector instead of USB. The iRig 2 would be better...
I know that you can't plug a powered USB hub to the Duet, I asked Apogee the question as soon as I bought the Duet. But it was a year ago, the iOS version of the Duet has just been launched, maybe some brands made more suitable gears by now.
Or maybe it could involved a Bluetooth device...
It's a real investigation to find some answers on the web and the different forum, and the Apogee support takes no risk at all, tans keep saying that it's meant for a single small USB keyboard...
So I would be glad to hear all the information you may have on this subject if you are an Apogee user, any ideas, any leads, everything which might help me so find a more "midi friendly" environment while still using my Duet !
Thank you for your attention and your help,
best regards,
Cyril
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I have a Duet IOS but I don't use the MIDI interface. Instead, I went the BLE route with PUC+ -->
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Runs off of 2 AA batteries or USB power, has both MIDI and USB MIDI ports, can send or receive MIDI and works with IOS and OSX. Most value for the price considering all of the above, IMO. $99 USD.
it's not clear to me where the problem lies.
Do you want to send MIDI to a computer? Then I would suggest to attach the iPad directly to the computer and use Studiomux. No need for an interface for these applications, it's actually more practical because you have MIDI, OSC, and audio through one cable, which is more reliable anyway.
Yes the USB port of the Duet 2 interface is primarily thought for a USB keyboard. But it also sends MIDI feedback, I've tested it with hardware MIDI control surfaces.
Phil,
Are you saying the Apogee Duet sends MIDI from the usb port on the back of it that says, MIDI out?
This is news to me. Please advise. I would like to send clock from Loopy to my pigtronix infinity looper, however the midi in on my duet is occupied by usb midi out on an akai mpk249. Perhaps the midi out din from the akai will send midi from its midi out port? But the port on the duet only says out. I'm lost.
My problem is, I need "midi in" on my interface for the keyboard, AND a way to get midi clock from the iPad to the infinity looper (midi out or thru, somewhere, right?). This can be accomplished with akai EIE correct? Any one getting midi from the iPad to their hardware and still able to use a keyboard sending notes to the iPad?
on my Duet 2 (maybe you have a different model?) the USB port is labeled "MIDI". It's bi-directional, but limited to USB devices.
Yes, maybe an iConnectivity or Akai interface would be better for you setup.
& Empolo : Hi,
thanks a lot for showing me this ! This really seems to be the solution for my configuration.
Nice ! I had the feeling that the solution would probably involve a Bluetooth connection.
Could you tell me which configuration did you used with this "Puc" ? It's just to be assured of its reliability...
Thank you anyway for pointing out this very useful device!!!
@ Phill999 : my English can be confusing, I admit! I do not use any computer, (I tried for 20 years without a single result, ), I make music strictly on iOS. I was using my Duet just for listening to music on my MacBook Pro, but I always knew I would use it with my iPad. And the sound is fantastic!
Could you tell me what you mean by "midi feedback" exactly? Midi is really not my native language, apart from CC and midi in / out, the rest is all blurry (bank selection, program change, LSB/MSB.... It's always an adventure when I have to build a map for an app...).
When you say that you've tested it with a MIDI control surface, which for me is the current way to use the midi connector of the Duet (I myself plug my Arturia MiniLab like this), I don't understand in which way it's another way to use the midi connection of the DUET....
I can name some examples how I use the USB MIDI port. To the Akai LPK25 keyboard you can send MIDI clock to sync its internal arpeggiator. To the QuNexus keyboard you can send MIDI CC to its CV (control voltage) outputs.
A good application of this port is also for control surfaces with USB MIDI. Mackie Control emulators, BCR/BCF and other stuff from Behringer, and I guess the new mixer from KeithMcMillen which will come out soon, and much more. This can be very useful because some DAW apps like Auria support Mackie Control. Depending on the controller device (with external power supply) there may even be an additional USB port to route a MIDI keyboard trough, but I don't have one of these myself.
MIDI feedback means in general that the app sends MIDI data back, like the timecode for DAW apps and the meter levels. And of course that you can send MIDI out. The problem being in the case of the Duet 2, as mentioned before, its port can only be used by USB MIDI devices. That's why it is mostly considered as a simple keyboard input.
I would need to experiment more with MIDI output. For example the connection to a MIDI-CV module failed, although theoretically it should work. Maybe it was just user error, and it's also 2 years or longer ago, some things might have changed since then.
I have such a good solution with a simple Windows tablet and powerful USB hub that I transfered much of the MIDI stuff there, and use the Duet 2's port only for a keyboard. But it's good to have a permanently attached keyboard to an iPad (especially if it has polyphonic aftertouch), velocity/modwheel/pitchbend make most synth apps more interesting.
For your solution, I would guess these iConnectivity devices would be best, but I can't say for sure. If it's only clock, this PUC could be perfect. Haven't thought of that, looks like a terrific idea.
The Duet 2 converters are indeed good. Superb for microphones. It's the only 'high-end' AD/DA I have. Very happy to use it every day.