Jam session on the forest equipment and other questions

linu

Hi!

I'm very rookie on making music (just 3 weeks :P) an I have soooo many questions... First of all, I just have an Ipad Air 1 and some apps (Audiobus, Samplr, Animoog, Paterning...) but I thing I need some midi controllers for make a step forward. I want to do jam sessions on the forest without energy (only AAA or battery).

What midi controllers do you recommend with a moderate inversion of money (500€ full equip aprox.)? I search small and portable controllers. I check the new Nano Korg Studio series , the Arturia Beatstep and the Quneo and Qunexus... They are all interesting. What do you recommend for begginers?

I really like the Volca Keys too... sooo I need a midi / audio interface to connect all the things right?? I check the Roland UA-22 Duo Capture-Ex but only have 1 midi in.... sooo i just can connect 1 midi controller? There are any solution to connect for exemple.... the Volca Keys, and 2 midi USB controlers and an Ipad on the forest? Maybe the new Nano Korg Studio with the Bluetooth connection can help me? There are any review of latency of Bluetooth for this new Korg Series?

I like a lot the IconnectMIDI2+ and 4+ but this interface need electrical charge....

I want share the jam sessions with friends... You know some nice and portable PC speakers with AAA to connect on the headphones out of the Ipad and have good sound?

And the last question: It's possible mapping 2 apps on the same midi controller? And I can for exemple... map the Turnado effects and Mimix on a NanoKontrol and with this apps on the background (with other app on the screen... for exemple Samplr) , activate /desactivate the Turnado/Mimix effects?

Thanks a lot and sorry for my poor english!
Cheers!

obiwahnkentobi

ICA4+ if the master clock is fixed from apple hope with ios 9.3
You could use a batterybank to power it and charges 2 devices 22.000mah for the complete night!
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Upcoming korg nanostudio controllers no question! Instant buy! Use 2nanocontrolls2 in my actuall setup and need more dedicated controllers in my live setup....you have preset scenes in the new controllers! Which the old one doesnt have, the reason why i have 2....So i could just use one studio controller, yamyam.

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If you cant read that, it doesnt matter! Cheers.

linu

Thanks obiwahnkentobi!.... I think the battery isn't a solution... I want to play in the middle of nowhere... with no car.... I need a portable solution on my bag.

What I want to do is something like that:

The new NanoKontrol +1 vote, ok man!! thanks... Some other controller?

And sorry.. I don't understand german

Hmtx

excellent ideas. that video is amazing!

linu

yes hmtx!.... And I just want to do something like that. This man inspiring to me....

pierre

the beatstep1 is good enough too, but i agree that the new bluetooth controller will be must have for ios musician

if you have a spare ios device you can use it with synckontrol to sync the internal sequencer of the volca to link (i use a monotribe but it work the same) then use "apogee jam" to route its audio in your main ipad (loaded with upcoming AUM and any other link enabled app )

lukesleepwalker

I would personally go all Bluetooth at this point. I mean, who wants to lug around cables, hubs, etc to the forest? iPad, BT controller, done. (If you want to do Impaktor stuff like the wooden box guy in the video then you'd have to pick up a cheap iRig 2 or something.)

If you do go with USB, I think @obiwahnkentobi was saying that any Lithium battery backup will trickle charge through the right hub (and charge the iPad if you have any juice left, post-jam-session).

obiwahnkentobi

@lukesleepwalker said:
I would personally go all Bluetooth at this point. I mean, who wants to lug around cables, hubs, etc to the forest? iPad, BT controller, done. (If you want to do Impaktor stuff like the wooden box guy in the video then you'd have to pick up a cheap iRig 2 or something.)

If you do go with USB, I think @obiwahnkentobi was saying that any Lithium battery backup will trickle charge through the right hub (and charge the iPad if you have any juice left, post-jam-session).

Exact, smaller as a volca...like this:
http://www.amazon.de/RAVPower®-23000mAh-Externer-Multi-Volt-Smartphones/dp/B00JGER8JW/ref=pd_sim_147_4?ie=UTF8&dpID=31Ucs3cCuYL&dpSrc=sims&preST=AC_UL160_SR160%2C160&refRID=1JXYT0H92TBZ10G27QPK
But if you wanna go real minimal
Look in in this hardware thread:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/11329/hardware-recommended-by-the-audiobus-team-updated-december-14th-2015#latest
The 7in1 works active with the behringer uca222 plus 2 midicontrollers.

linu

Wow Obiwahnkentobi.... this battery are portable! .... But I have some afraid to damage for some reason the IConnectMIDI 4+... it's expensive.

Anyone have tried connect ICM4+ to a external battery succesfully?

There is any way to connect on the Roland UA-22 Duo Capture-Ex more than 1 MIDI? or USB MIDI?

By the way.... It's possible mapping 2 apps on the same MIDI (turnado and mimix...) and trigger effects mapped with the app on the backgraund? (Maybe it's an idiot question... but I'm really new in this stuff....)

I really apreciate your feedback.

Thanks!

mschenkel.it

FYI: haven't just one midi port doesn't mean you have just one midi output: as long as you have midi in and midi out, or in best case scenario midi thru, on your devices it mean you will be able to daisy chain up to 16 midi devices (as much as are the midi channels and as long as you manage to map each device to a single channel[eg you won't be able to run two korg drum machines es1&er1&iElectribe beacused their midi channel is hard wired to ch 10])

linu

@mschenkel.it said:
FYI: haven't just one midi port doesn't mean you have just one midi output: as long as you have midi in and midi out, or in best case scenario midi thru, on your devices it mean you will be able to daisy chain up to 16 midi devices (as much as are the midi channels and as long as you manage to map each device to a single channel[eg you won't be able to run two korg drum machines es1&er1&iElectribe beacused their midi channel is hard wired to ch 10])

Wow..... I don't understand so much.... I can connect 2 or more MIDI with the Roland UA-22 for example? I can connect 1 nanokontrol, 1 nanokey and the volca keys all together?

mschenkel.it

Let's do a small scheme:
--------->This is a midi cable, carrying all 16 midi channels messages, plugged from out/thru port to in on the next device, which will carry its message to a [device] which will read messages on channel(01)
{for the moment forget about controllers}
[16 midi sequences(0-16)]--------->[volcakeys(01)]--------->[electribe es1(10)]--------->[kaosspad(02)]--------->[iCM2+(all, hub)]--------->[ipad(all,hub)]----virtual---->[patterning(03)] and so on

Each of these devices will playback the corresponding midi sequence without playing the others
With devices like iconnectmidi2+(the one I have), having it 2 midi out ports, you will be able to connect up to 32 devices playing different sequences

linu

I need to learn a lot ....
Ok.... 1 cable midi it's carrying 16 midi chanels that I can use for everything... I understand..... but.... the channels are use for the devices or for the elements mapped? For exemple... If I map 3 knobs on my nanokontrol with 1 app I use 3 channels?

mschenkel.it

No. The exact opposite.the channels are meant to address different devices in chain, without having to plug out 16 different cables out of a single device but rather having one long, imaginary cable with nodes in between.
You map your 8(?) nanokontrol knobs[NKK from now on] to midi control change[CC] 20-27(which are generally unassigned FYI: http://nickfever.com/music/midi-cc-list) and they will be global as long as you won't change the midi map for you NK; then they will send their midi CC in the midi channel you are using in that very moment on the NK.
Example:
You turn on your equipment as we said above.
The NK will boot on midi channel 01 so when you move your NKK you will be able to control live 8 parameters on volca keys with midi CC 20-27
Then you switch your NK midi channel to 10 and you will be able to control live 8 parameters on the es1 with the same 20-27 CC
And so on

linu

Thanks a lot for your explanations.... Soooo A midi it's a node between instruments (keyboards, synths...etc) to transport information. Every device (real or virtual) have 1 channel assigned.. and every chanel transport all this information:
http://www.electronics.dit.ie/staff/tscarff/Music_technology/midi/control_and_mode_changes.htm
With a range between 0 and 127 for determine every value. In this case the Nanokontrol, is asigned for exemple chanel 1 and the value of the knobs on the CC 20-27 so every other device conected to chanel 1 via MIDI can read this information and reation to it right?

And if we can connect 16 devices (only if they have IN and THRU imput) with only 1 in MIDI imput on an interface why Iconnect2+ or Iconnect4+ have so many connections (2 or 4)? For connect 32/64 devices?!! I think this is not the answer, right....? It's maybe some think with the latency (because the message it's a string) or something like that?

And how we can connect USB MIDIS (like Nanokontrol) with other stuff with DIN MIDI connection? There's some USB-DIN convertion?

Thnks a lot!