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$15 vs $19,000
Just pointing out the astounding value we have in ipad apps. iVCS3 on app store $15, VCS3 on ebay $19k
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EMS-VCS3A-synthesizer-PUTNEY-MARK-1-SERIAL-NO-232-Very-RARE-Synthi-Modular-/322006991395?hash=item4af91cc223:g:a8EAAOSwiwVWRqYw
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$19k not including shipping apparently
but is that an example of how less of value the app is and how more of value the instrument is, or and example of how more of value the app is and and how little of value the instrument is since both are selling what does it mean for the point your making?
btw you make some dope sky lullabies
Huh, so I don't get it? ios apps are expensive, and developers work on them for months and months and I feel entitled to free updates, free apps and free school and free food and free free stuff. or wait not so much....
There was a guy who was interviewed in some magazine/website a few years ago. He was walking past a dumpster and saw the corner of a vcs poking out the top of the bin, and thought 'no way that's actually a vcs..'. He went over and looked in the bin and it was, and it worked. It was valued at $22,000.
@High5denied :
That's so crazy, I thought I was doin good gettin $45.00 for some of my OOP cd's.......
sooo, does the fact that people by the app mean that the instrument is overpriced and not worth it, or does the fact that people by the instrument mean that the app is actually not comparable to the instrument so that all of the talk of the value of the app is null and void and should not be compared to the instrument as many do when talking about apps but instead compared with itself?
I was gonna get rid of my iVCS3 app, now I think I'll hold on to it, may be worth something some day!
its one of my fav apps on the iPad actually so no grey clouds for the ivcs3, but Redsky's post made me think about how we often compare apps on one hand to beers and coffee and on the other hand to the real instruments.
Most of us are never going to get to try a real one and make a meaningful comparison, or have that kind of disposable income. But that hardware one sure doesn't have Syncable LFOs and Link support.
Have always thought nothing really has any inherent value, one of the most valued substances in the world is a pretty colored rock.
Neither really
And thanks. New album coming eventually
this is exactly how I feel !
I think the artist Banksy is tormented by being such a great artist and not believing that art exist
thanks for the patches too
Doubleplus on this!
Refined rock and green paper - don't forget the paper, with pictures on too! (or linen or whatever it is)
And, yes, iVCS3 is great value compared to the original, esp. with all the additional features like the LFOs. Sounds great, worth every unbegrudged penny.
This could explain why we don't see any Wombles these days, they must have found a few Synths in the rubbish, sold them, then retired to somewhere hot.
$15 vs. $185, still a great bargain:)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/XILS-4-EMS-VCS4-Emulator-Analog-Modular-Synthesis-Software-Electronic-Delivery-/252174845535?hash=item3ab6cac65f:g:kCoAAOSweuxWS7iK
It seems there is still an extremely strong attraction to hardware synths these days. Look at all the current offerings from Moog, Roland, et al. Has anybody on the AudioBus started a thread with topics like; hardware vs. digital simulation? Or, iPad synths vs. analog gear? Or iOS synths vs. desktop synths? I searched, but could not find such topics on this forum? Would it be worthwhile to start such a topic?
I have no idea how good iOS synths like iVSC3, or iSEM compare to the original analog hardware; because I do not own any analog hardware. Do hardware analog synths sound way better? And why? Do hardware synths have more knobs to control in real time... is that why they are better?
Hardware, full analog especially, have what is called warmth, being it those micro imprecision due to the fact that analog gear is HEAVILY affected by environmental conditions such as temperature, EM fields, humidity etc which at the moment is perceived as a feeling of a more organic sound output. But is a path filled with downsides: costs, since every unit comes fully or almost on their own, functions, specially for vintage gear(no presets, no digital utilities/quality checks). But there is no all around winner. Otherwise music industry wouldn't ever move from analog gear at all.
It's because a lot of people like beer and/or coffee - it's something they can relate to.
Of course, it's difficult to relate if you don't like beer or coffee.
That "almost" happened to me a few weeks ago. There was a package of two vcs3 and a korg ps-3200 at an antique auction nearby. The starting price was 5 bucks, for all three! They had no idea what they were selling, the title was "your own music studio!"
I was hoping no-one would find out, and that I would get them really really cheap, sell one and keep the other two. But no.. People where calling in and bidding over the phone from all over the country. I quit. It ended at $21k, which is actually still a bargain, but too much for me!
PS. I have used a real vcs3 actually, we had one in the studio when I studied electro acoustic composition at the Royal College of Stockholm! Really beautiful machine.
Hmmm...you shell out $21,000 for some vintage VSC3s...they still ain't gonna have Link!
They may or they may not. Depends on the synth and depends on the specific synth you're playing when it comes to old analog gear. Some bits may not work as they should. That might be 'character' that brings the magic or that might be effing annoying (and expensive to fix).
With vintage gear, like say the Oberheim SEMs, I tend to look at it like this: the iSEM app sounds amazing. It doesn't have all of the 'character' of a SEM-8 but it sounds great and definitely sounds like a SEM. If the $15 app gets you 90% of the way toward the sound you're looking for, it's hard to imagine spending another $10,000 for the last 10%!
The tactile part is definitely part of the appeal of hardware for me. Plus, it's a focused experience. You can't check the AB forum on a Moog Little Phatty! Also, generally, they 'just work' with regards to MIDI and clock, you don't have to worry about Apple OS updates, 'inter device audio' comes in the form of physical cables, they generally have thorough manuals...
That would have been pretty amazing, shame some others figured it out. Surprised EMS have not resurrected production there is obviously a huge demand out there. I know they still exist, I think they get at least 50% on ivcs3
On a waaaay smaller scale, I bought my monotribe in perfect condition for 40$ in a thrift store...
Ok, sorry for the disgression
I am lusting after the
vocoder 5000
I popped into a local toy shop on Sunday and had a little play with the Korg ARP Odyssey. While I probably won't buy one, there was really something about having all the controls tweakable while you play. Very expressive and satisfying.
I had a go on the little Roli keyboard as well but it left me completely cold. Just way too rubbery and difficult. Quite unexpected.
My point is that the hardware can have an amazing appeal and usability beyond just the sound.