Group The Loop updated

anickt

Group the Loop by Jack Marshall
https://appsto.re/us/dA6w9.i

My favorite looper

Judochopjames

Just played around with the update, the addition of Audiobus remote triggers makes a huge difference. Will probably replace loopy now as my go to looper.

JohnnyGoodyear

@Judochopjames said:
Just played around with the update, the addition of Audiobus remote triggers makes a huge difference. Will probably replace loopy now as my go to looper.

Wow. Big statement. Or it could just be that your a few years ahead of me I spent a very productive hour with Loopy tonight, but I am looking to GTL as a 'separate but equal' utility.

jmarshallgtl

Hey guys, thanks for picking up on the update. I'm glad ABRemote is coming in useful!

I'm now hard at work on Ableton Link. I'd love to see Group the Loop used with AUM.

RUST( i )K

@Judochopjames said:
Just played around with the update, the addition of Audiobus remote triggers makes a huge difference. Will probably replace loopy now as my go to looper.

Why do you find it better than Loopy, in what ways?

I think there are some huge differences, I am just wondering your reasons?

RUST( i )K

@jmarshallgtl said:
Hey guys, thanks for picking up on the update. I'm glad ABRemote is coming in useful!

I'm now hard at work on Ableton Link. I'd love to see Group the Loop used with AUM.

Between AUM, LINK, and Group The Loop, my workflow is almost unrecognizable than it was 2 months ago.

How quickly things are always changing. Amazing.

studs1966

@jmarshallgtl said:
Hey guys, thanks for picking up on the update. I'm glad ABRemote is coming in useful!

I'm now hard at work on Ableton Link. I'd love to see Group the Loop used with AUM.

Great news. Thank you for the update.

anickt

@RustiK said:

@Judochopjames said:
Just played around with the update, the addition of Audiobus remote triggers makes a huge difference. Will probably replace loopy now as my go to looper.

Why do you find it better than Loopy, in what ways?

I think there are some huge differences, I am just wondering your reasons?

My unsolicited $.02

Some apps are like that stranger you meet and in 10 minutes you're the best of friends.
Some apps are like that person you'll never really get along with no matter how much you try.

For me Group the Loop and Caustic are the former and Loopy and Gadget are the latter (for instance).

JohnnyGoodyear

@anickt said:

@RustiK said:

@Judochopjames said:
Just played around with the update, the addition of Audiobus remote triggers makes a huge difference. Will probably replace loopy now as my go to looper.

Why do you find it better than Loopy, in what ways?

I think there are some huge differences, I am just wondering your reasons?

My unsolicited $.02

Some apps are like that stranger you meet and in 10 minutes you're the best of friends.
Some apps are like that person you'll never really get along with no matter how much you try.

For me Group the Loop and Caustic are the former and Loopy and Gadget are the latter (for instance).

I understand/feel you on this and perhaps that's why there's room for different cat-skinning. For me Gadget is a modern university of research facilities and Caustic a charming old hut I rarely want to visit. Loopy was an -over-hyped uncle everyone else seemed to like more than me, but then one night we sat down and spent some quality one on one time and now I think he's a lot cooler....

anickt

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@anickt said:

@RustiK said:

@Judochopjames said:
Just played around with the update, the addition of Audiobus remote triggers makes a huge difference. Will probably replace loopy now as my go to looper.

Why do you find it better than Loopy, in what ways?

I think there are some huge differences, I am just wondering your reasons?

My unsolicited $.02

Some apps are like that stranger you meet and in 10 minutes you're the best of friends.
Some apps are like that person you'll never really get along with no matter how much you try.

For me Group the Loop and Caustic are the former and Loopy and Gadget are the latter (for instance).

I understand/feel you on this and perhaps that's why there's room for different cat-skinning. For me Gadget is a modern university of research facilities and Caustic a charming old hut I rarely want to visit. Loopy was an -over-hyped uncle everyone else seemed to like more than me, but then one night we sat down and spent some quality one on one time and now I think he's a lot cooler....

I find it fascinating that people could possibly do something differently than the way I do it. LOL!!

Relative to Group the Loop, for me it's like walking into a house and knowing intuitively where everything is and how to use it. On the other hand I just can't get my head around Loopy. I don't find it "fun" at all.

lukesleepwalker

@anickt said:
Relative to Group the Loop, for me it's like walking into a house and knowing intuitively where everything is and how to use it. On the other hand I just can't get my head around Loopy. I don't find it "fun" at all.

How do you use a looper? Is it a "live looping" situation or are you using it to sketch out ideas, etc?

Judochopjames

@RustiK said:

@Judochopjames said:
Just played around with the update, the addition of Audiobus remote triggers makes a huge difference. Will probably replace loopy now as my go to looper.

Why do you find it better than Loopy, in what ways?

I think there are some huge differences, I am just wondering your reasons?

I think loopy is a fantastic app, but it all boils down to work flow for me. Group the loop allows me to sketch out sections of a song and jump between those sections and furthermore actually see those sections as groups and jump between them with a foot controller.

Loopy would need to provide group options and a lot more than 12 tracks to achieve the same result.

In addition I find loopy a bit finicky for certain functions, like deleting a loop you have to swipe down and to the right to bring up a menu and then select clear but in group the loop you just hit the x. It's a small thing but it improves workflow because when looping you hit delete a lot. Group the loop allows me to stay zeroed into my creative zone better.

Judochopjames

@jmarshallgtl said:
Hey guys, thanks for picking up on the update. I'm glad ABRemote is coming in useful!

I'm now hard at work on Ableton Link. I'd love to see Group the Loop used with AUM.

Can't wait for Ableton link, it'll be killer! Thanks for continuing to update and support the app. A great feature would be if in AB remote it actually showed the play button for each group, like a, b, c, sort of like how loopy shows all 12 loops and you could trigger whatever group you want directly.

anickt

@lukesleepwalker said:

@anickt said:
Relative to Group the Loop, for me it's like walking into a house and knowing intuitively where everything is and how to use it. On the other hand I just can't get my head around Loopy. I don't find it "fun" at all.

How do you use a looper? Is it a "live looping" situation or are you using it to sketch out ideas, etc?

Sketching out ideas but also complete songs. I like to take loops from any number of sources and work them against each other, trying to sculpt something out a all the disparate sounds. I've had some nice results taking field recordings into Samplr and then exporting those loops into GTL for structure and further manipulation.

anickt

@Judochopjames said:

@RustiK said:

@Judochopjames said:
Just played around with the update, the addition of Audiobus remote triggers makes a huge difference. Will probably replace loopy now as my go to looper.

Why do you find it better than Loopy, in what ways?

I think there are some huge differences, I am just wondering your reasons?

I think loopy is a fantastic app, but it all boils down to work flow for me. Group the loop allows me to sketch out sections of a song and jump between those sections and furthermore actually see those sections as groups and jump between them with a foot controller.

Loopy would need to provide group options and a lot more than 12 tracks to achieve the same result.

In addition I find loopy a bit finicky for certain functions, like deleting a loop you have to swipe down and to the right to bring up a menu and then select clear but in group the loop you just hit the x. It's a small thing but it improves workflow because when looping you hit delete a lot. Group the loop allows me to stay zeroed into my creative zone better.

This is my experience in many ways.

lukesleepwalker

Got it @Judochopjames and @anickt . I think it makes sense because Loopy drives me nuts as a sketching tool for the same reasons you mention (especially the lack of grouping). But, playing live, Loopy is the best to me because those big orange circles tell me if I have armed the track and when it's finished, etc. To me, that's where Loopy is indispensable.

Judochopjames

@lukesleepwalker said:
Got it @Judochopjames and @anickt . I think it makes sense because Loopy drives me nuts as a sketching tool for the same reasons you mention (especially the lack of grouping). But, playing live, Loopy is the best to me because those big orange circles tell me if I have armed the track and when it's finished, etc. To me, that's where Loopy is indispensable.

Well, Group the loop has a similar visual indicator of when a track is armed and finished, it's just linear rather than circular.

That brings up a good point though and might be another improvement the developer could make to the audiobus remote triggers. In Loopy HD, the AB triggers show a master counter going around in a circle so you always know where the loop is and when it's about to end. Group the loop doesn't have anything like that in the Audiobus triggers. When you have one piece of music down you can usually tell where you are relative to the music itself, but if you have a repetitive loop going on in the background, like a simple drum beat or four on the floor bass drum, it's not clear where you are in the loop.

JohnnyGoodyear

@Judochopjames said:

@lukesleepwalker said:
Got it @Judochopjames and @anickt . I think it makes sense because Loopy drives me nuts as a sketching tool for the same reasons you mention (especially the lack of grouping). But, playing live, Loopy is the best to me because those big orange circles tell me if I have armed the track and when it's finished, etc. To me, that's where Loopy is indispensable.

Well, Group the loop has a similar visual indicator of when a track is armed and finished, it's just linear rather than circular.

That brings up a good point though and might be another improvement the developer could make to the audiobus remote triggers. In Loopy HD, the AB triggers show a master counter going around in a circle so you always know where the loop is and when it's about to end. Group the loop doesn't have anything like that in the Audiobus triggers. When you have one piece of music down you can usually tell where you are relative to the music itself, but if you have a repetitive loop going on in the background, like a simple drum beat or four on the floor bass drum, it's not clear where you are in the loop.

Not suggesting that others crib from Loopy (the very idea), but your example is a perfect one when it comes to apparently small items having disproportionate inherent value...

jmarshallgtl

@Judochopjames said:

@lukesleepwalker said:
Got it @Judochopjames and @anickt . I think it makes sense because Loopy drives me nuts as a sketching tool for the same reasons you mention (especially the lack of grouping). But, playing live, Loopy is the best to me because those big orange circles tell me if I have armed the track and when it's finished, etc. To me, that's where Loopy is indispensable.

Well, Group the loop has a similar visual indicator of when a track is armed and finished, it's just linear rather than circular.

That brings up a good point though and might be another improvement the developer could make to the audiobus remote triggers. In Loopy HD, the AB triggers show a master counter going around in a circle so you always know where the loop is and when it's about to end. Group the loop doesn't have anything like that in the Audiobus triggers. When you have one piece of music down you can usually tell where you are relative to the music itself, but if you have a repetitive loop going on in the background, like a simple drum beat or four on the floor bass drum, it's not clear where you are in the loop.

Good point there @Judochopjames. I did think about adding a button showing the clock progress. In Loopy there is one clock button that increments in multiples of two until it gets to x8, I think, then it returns to x1. Do you think this is a better approach or are the divide and times buttons more useful?

Tones4Christ

I love this looper!!! As a guitar player this is a dream come true. Specially with the built in drummer. Now if Luis and the developer for together and somehow marry Rock Drum Machine with GTL imagine?

anickt

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@Judochopjames said:

@lukesleepwalker said:
Got it @Judochopjames and @anickt . I think it makes sense because Loopy drives me nuts as a sketching tool for the same reasons you mention (especially the lack of grouping). But, playing live, Loopy is the best to me because those big orange circles tell me if I have armed the track and when it's finished, etc. To me, that's where Loopy is indispensable.

Well, Group the loop has a similar visual indicator of when a track is armed and finished, it's just linear rather than circular.

That brings up a good point though and might be another improvement the developer could make to the audiobus remote triggers. In Loopy HD, the AB triggers show a master counter going around in a circle so you always know where the loop is and when it's about to end. Group the loop doesn't have anything like that in the Audiobus triggers. When you have one piece of music down you can usually tell where you are relative to the music itself, but if you have a repetitive loop going on in the background, like a simple drum beat or four on the floor bass drum, it's not clear where you are in the loop.

Not suggesting that others crib from Loopy (the very idea), but your example is a perfect one when it comes to apparently small items having disproportionate inherent value...

It's often the small items that make something a joy to use

asnor

@jmarshallgtl Any chance this is coming to iPhone?

Judochopjames

@jmarshallgtl said:

@Judochopjames said:

@lukesleepwalker said:
Got it @Judochopjames and @anickt . I think it makes sense because Loopy drives me nuts as a sketching tool for the same reasons you mention (especially the lack of grouping). But, playing live, Loopy is the best to me because those big orange circles tell me if I have armed the track and when it's finished, etc. To me, that's where Loopy is indispensable.

Well, Group the loop has a similar visual indicator of when a track is armed and finished, it's just linear rather than circular.

That brings up a good point though and might be another improvement the developer could make to the audiobus remote triggers. In Loopy HD, the AB triggers show a master counter going around in a circle so you always know where the loop is and when it's about to end. Group the loop doesn't have anything like that in the Audiobus triggers. When you have one piece of music down you can usually tell where you are relative to the music itself, but if you have a repetitive loop going on in the background, like a simple drum beat or four on the floor bass drum, it's not clear where you are in the loop.

Good point there @Judochopjames. I did think about adding a button showing the clock progress. In Loopy there is one clock button that increments in multiples of two until it gets to x8, I think, then it returns to x1. Do you think this is a better approach or are the divide and times buttons more useful?

I think the divide and times buttons are great, I would just like to see a visual indication of where the play head is within the loop. I think the loopy one lets you click to change the bars by clicking it, I think I'd prefer your method of just doubling or halving the bar because it requires less clicks to get where you want, the main thing is just having the visual cue to know where you are.

[Deleted User]

@Nathan said:

@jmarshallgtl said:
Hey guys, thanks for picking up on the update. I'm glad ABRemote is coming in useful!

I'm now hard at work on Ableton Link. I'd love to see Group the Loop used with AUM.

I already have several loopers, including the new kid on the block LooperSonic, which I won. The problem I have is me. Every demo I've seen, such as the promo for Group the Loop makes using these apps look simple. But, getting the timing right is always a small nightmare.

I'm still tempted by Group the Loop, especially while it's on sale. I just wonder if allI'd be doing is disappointing myself, again. It's strange, that I find affinity with many IOS music apps, but looper's so often baffle me.

Same here, just can't seem to get loopers to like me

Tones4Christ

Group the loop is the real deal ma man!

RJB

Can Group the Loop be used to record in directly in AUM?

anickt

@Nathan said:

@Tones4Christ said:
Group the loop is the real deal ma man!

I have no doubt as to its quality, and at present value for money. Whether it's proof against my in-built incompetence with looper's is another thing.

I haven't had much luck with other loopers. They just didn't click or I found the workflow awkward. GTL works great for me.

Tones4Christ

Same here. I bought all the loopers. They're all good really in their own way. But, GTL is the moat user friendly for me. The work flow is smoother as a guitar player. Sliding effects right into the slots is awesome!
The only thing that had me kind in a loop was that the tempo although it said 120 bpm it felt slower, specially with the built in drummer. I think it was definitely user error, bit haven't had a chance to compare it Running RDM at the same BPM.
I like the song structure. That's how I work. Makes it so easy to concentrate on a single part and build songs that way. At least for me. I'm learning still how to make patterns and stuff.

You wont be disappointed. IMHO.

@Nathan said:

@anickt said:
I haven't had much luck with other loopers. They just didn't click or I found the workflow awkward. GTL works great for me.

Ah, I feel the pull of another purchase, maybe. Damn this app addiction.

null____void

http://www.newscientist.com/article/2078781-wild-gorillas-compose-happy-songs-that-they-hum-during-meals/

lukesleepwalker

@rhcball said:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/2078781-wild-gorillas-compose-happy-songs-that-they-hum-during-meals/

That is fascinating.

JohnnyGoodyear

@rhcball said:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/2078781-wild-gorillas-compose-happy-songs-that-they-hum-during-meals/

Pretty much my workflow right here.