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Arp behavior
I'm wondering if there exists a midi arpeggiator with an on/off switch on the playing surface. Preferably with key trigger and free running modes. It seems it would be very useful to say, hold down a note or chord with the arp running and while playing be able to bring the arp in and out. So if you hold a note and turn it off it goes right back the note sustain and vice versa. With a free running option you could get some interesting sequences just playing the toggle switch. This would eliminate those awkward arp phrase endings. I know technically you can do this in addictive synth, but it's not midi, and I'm surprised this toggle switch isn't featured and designed to be part of the playing surface in more arp Apps. Any thoughts? Have I overlooked something?
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For reference, in addictive synth, even if you have it in free running mode, if you switch the arp off and then on, the sequence restarts. So I'm wondering about something that would mute the arp in that mode, enable the normal patch sustain settings, but still be running the arp sequence under the hood so that when you enable it again it picks up wherever the sequence is.
Have both running at once and switch between them in AUM?
One way could be routing a midi channel to arp which is routed to a synth along with a straight output from another/keysplitted keyboard/controller [edit] (so it won't send midi to the arp) on the same midi in of the synth(which now will share arpeggiator noted from arp and solo notes from the other channel.
If I'm reading your post/s right, then Thesys by Sugar bytes will do this. And it'll trigger pretty much any midi synth you throw at it.
Thesys is a sequencer triggered by single note input , so will not arpeggiate input chords.
I dont think this is possible with any single arpeggiator , for reasons of Note on/Off messages & how the arp engine works , as well as note stealing within the synth .
You seem to want it to both retrigger & not retrigger at once , and you even contradict yourself in your two posts first by saying it's possible then actualy it isnt in second post.
I briefly tried various strategies in Kirnu Cream & StepPolyArp , as I expected, neither do this without stopping , resetting .
You are probably going to have to duplicate the midi , as suggested above, and may even need two synth sources with same sound otherwise there would still be glitches of notestealing changing from arpeggiation to chord
You're right. Damn note stealing. I was trying to work out in my head if this was something that could be easily implemented. Thanks for explaining.
I'm pretty sure Arpeggionome Pro can do this.
What about Virsyn Apreggist?.....
Arpeggist is a "no it can't"
Kirnu Cream in my opinion could do with it's internal keyboard splitting. [testtesttesttest] No it can't, it can run a different different arpeggio on the same instrument but, being it an arpeggiator, I couldn't find a way to play plain notes
Send MIDI vol 0 and MIDI vol 127 (or whatever) to the targeted synth instead of faffing with the arpeggiator?
@RUncELL an explanation of what you think you are showing in the video would be useful,
as I'm afraid I see sequencing , NOT the arpeggiation the OP requested . I also understood they wanted input chords ( to play realtime ?) not preprogrammed , and most importantly they wanted the ( seemingly impossible given note stealing ) switching between held chords & arpeggiation without a break in sound which your video doesnt show.
I'm not looking for an argument , but I really dont get what your video is meant to show,
other than prove my original assertion correct ?
Edit / unless it was the single note vs chords input issue : but I understood the OP to want realtime input ,not sequenced ..& my memory confused single note with pattern change ..
so actually there is NO NOTE INPUT but a play button instead ..which just confirms Thesys is a sequencer not an arpeggiator ..which was my point.
I guess maybe a better question, since this is becoming a pretty solid discussion is what kinds of things would you all want in your dream arpeggiator? I'm just curious because there are quite a lot of apps that have scale lock, one button chords, etc, that for people who aren't practiced musicians iOS has you covered in the harmony department. We have great drum machines like patterning and others. But I'm wondering if there's a way to bridge the rhythm gap for non musicians, and my first thought was some sort of advanced arpeggiator that was easily tweakable while playing live. So what kind of tool could assist newbies with playing interesting groovy rhythms live but still leave enough up to the user so it doesn't become a sequencer or generative thing? Kind of trying to think outside the box on this, purely hypothetical.
@db909 as a longterm betatester , & (still ....) working on a tutorial , I'm bound to claim Kirnu Cream Mobile is the most fully featured arp on IOS with many rhythmic options as well as harmonic for each of its four tracks . Other than StepPolyArp's probability functions it covers all other arps features . Check it out , or search relevant threads here if you dont know it .
@Wally I had so much hassle uploading that video (involving phone calls to net provider) you just wouldn't believe, which left me no time to explain.
I was kinda hoping you'd all watch until the near end which shows what the op was sort of asking for, the manual start/stop where the sequence continues even in stop mode (watch the lil green marker at top of Thesys)..OK so it's not an arpeggiator because it's not being triggered by a note input. In fact I don't know if Thesys works on note input or not as I've never tried it..But, I do know you can get an arpeggiator sound from a sequencer and the way Thesys works is similar to an arp.
Also in the in the video, by using the gate time/length I can hold keys for longer which also creates a chord like effect.
Conclusion being, it's not exactly what Mr909 is after but it may just help !