I HATE SAMPLING, for now!!!

pierre

Egoist/Samplr/Sector

JohnnyGoodyear

Egoist. It really is delicious if you've got a little time to spend etc.

MrNezumi

I usually don't like chop/shuffle apps, but I LOVE Egoist. I use the random button as a starting point and then start tweaking until the groove is groovy.

Grippy

@syrupcore said:

@Grippy said:

@syrupcore said:
I dunno if NanoStudio is really the best at this but man-oh-man is that wave editor buttery to operate. Like the good Mr. Pants, I too still use it as my main iOS wave editor because it's just so smooth to zoom in both directions.

@Grippy Are you having trouble getting a perfect loop or are you happy with your loop and having trouble getting it to align to another beat? What apps do you have already?

Getting the perfect loop is not the problem, getting it to align to the beat is, I have MS2 BM2, crystalline, grain proc

Ok, presuming the loop is good, load the sample into the BM2 editor and figure out how long it is in milliseconds. Then go here to get the tempo: http://testtone.com/calculators/loop-length-bpm-calculator

Set the track that tempo and rejoice, hopefully. If it's still not 'lining up' you may need to adjust your sample start and end points. For instance, the original has the kick purposefully a little late or a little early, starting your sample at the beginning of the kick sample (which is the normal method for this sorta thing) will make the 2 and 4 sound 'off' compared to the original. I can't remember if BM2 has the ability to keep the length locked and move it around. If not, AudioShare does though you'll need to start with the larger sample (so there's someplace to move the loop).

What's MS2?

Thanks bro, u really know u really know ur stuff. MS2 I music Studio 2

Grippy

@Cassetteur said:
Yeah, what Cutta said...

Sampling is best when you use your ears and not stare at a grid or try to micromanage them too much... The beauty of the Roland/Boss SP series (which Madlib and Dilla use) is there is no editing window so you have to use your ears and natural rhythm to get everything to gel... Try sampling off beat or on the 2 or long or small snippets to see what you can come up with, again it's all about your natural timing and groove... Too many perfectly timed and gridded samples are what have given us the paint by numbers way of making tracks a la GB or even EDM...

The Truth!!!

Grippy

@Flo26 said:
I HATE SAMPLING, for now

don't sample!! one should never do something he hates.

Also truth, but i'm not a quitter so...

Lady_App_titude

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/traktor/traktor-for-ios/traktor-dj/

shortbus

@Grippy said:
Is there another ios app that ya'll recommend for sampling old school cuts other than beatmaker??? I'm ripping out my hair trying to sample properly AND I'M ALREADY BALDING ON THE TOP. Does anyone else run into problems bpm matching??

don't know how dj's blend cuts together so perfectly and me as a producer can't seem to match bpm of the sample to the tempo of the song.I use BM to do my sampling and it worked a few times by fluke, but I tried recently to sample a track from the seventies and just like many times before that, the metronome would just be tick tick tocking clean off the sample.

Could it be the RAM on the pad? Could it be that i'm down to the last two gigabytes that it does not properly sync? If there is anyone that can help please do so Cuz i'm bout to seriously cut out sampling from my riddim making experience.

Sounds like you need something with realtime timestretch of loops, like how audio clips behave in Ableton Live to bpm changes.

kobamoto

gotta start with Love my friend.... you must looove sampling, only then can you sample happily. Just look into the eyes of the sample and say ' come to papa sample... come to papa..

Grippy

@kobamoto said:
gotta start with Love my friend.... you must looove sampling, only then can you sample happily. Just look into the eyes of the sample and say ' come to papa sample... come to papa..

Earth to kobamoto, EARTH TO KOBAMOTO Houston we just found the solution

kobamoto

Grippy

@shortbus said:

@Grippy said:
Is there another ios app that ya'll recommend for sampling old school cuts other than beatmaker??? I'm ripping out my hair trying to sample properly AND I'M ALREADY BALDING ON THE TOP. Does anyone else run into problems bpm matching??

don't know how dj's blend cuts together so perfectly and me as a producer can't seem to match bpm of the sample to the tempo of the song.I use BM to do my sampling and it worked a few times by fluke, but I tried recently to sample a track from the seventies and just like many times before that, the metronome would just be tick tick tocking clean off the sample.

Could it be the RAM on the pad? Could it be that i'm down to the last two gigabytes that it does not properly sync? If there is anyone that can help please do so Cuz i'm bout to seriously cut out sampling from my riddim making experience.

Sounds like you need something with realtime timestretch of loops, like how audio clips behave in Ableton Live to bpm changes.

YES, THAT'S IT. Is there an app that can do that? Is there an ableton app?

RedSkyLullaby

@Seangarland said:
Have you tried NanoStudio? Here's a recent demo from Jon Rawlinson (Pants of Death) showing how he uses it for sample editing:

Damn I need sme Maltesers now

cabo

.. and that's the moment I'll finally buy NanoStudio

Proppa

Thank You @RedSkyLullaby -- Incredible demo of just how lovely NanoStudio is.

Samu

NanoStudio is one of those apps I have on my iPad and it serves as a 'benchmark' on how things could/should be done. And yes, the Sample Editor is still one of the best out there, there are some similarities to BeatMaker 2 but I dare to say the BM2 in some ways feels more like a copy of NanoStudio

Needless to say the expectations on NanoStudio 2 are extremely high.

kobamoto

it looks like the same people developed nano and bm2, was it the same dev?

blanksmaiden

mmm no, i don't think so. idk why he'd make two different apps that do really similar things?

i could be wrong tho

kobamoto

looks like the same editor

Grippy

@kobamoto said:
it looks like the same people developed nano and bm2, was it the same dev?

They did the same thing with Fl studio mobile and music Studio 2 the same interface with very few differences, you can tell it was a Dev team that did both, I suspected the same with NS and BM2 because everything looks very similar in screenshots and YT videos

SirMcp

Nanostudio came out before BM2. BM2 is developed by Intua and NS is developed by Blip Interactive. A lot of apps that were released after NS owe a tip of the hat to it. It was the first multitrack, self contained rack for making tracks. This was way before BM2, Tabletop, Caustic IOS, Gadget, etc. While it doesn't record audio tracks it is universal for u phone guys. If u have a pc or Mac u can download it for free and take it for a spin. If u don't own NS then buy it now. Samu is right, it still is a benchmark on how business is handled. It's amazing that Blip Interactive is a one man operation and Matt is a nice and talented guy, so support him.

Will

Intua owes more than a tip of the hat. They straight ripped a lot from NanoStudio. Was not cool. But yeah, like most copies, they usually missed the best bits.

Will

@Grippy said:

@shortbus said:
Sounds like you need something with realtime timestretch of loops, like how audio clips behave in Ableton Live to bpm changes.

YES, THAT'S IT. Is there an app that can do that? Is there an ableton app?

Not quite like Ableton but loopy does this.

Samu

I'd love to see something similar to Logic Pro X's Flex Time & Pitch for iOS. (Maybe we'll see this in Cubasis 2.0, BeatMaker 3, FLM3 or some surprise app).

According to the manual AuriaPro is capable of transient-detection and time-stretching but for those few times I need to stretch some Audio I might as well use Logic Pro X or Live Lite for now.

synthandson

@syrupcore said:

@Grippy said:

@shortbus said:
Sounds like you need something with realtime timestretch of loops, like how audio clips behave in Ableton Live to bpm changes.

YES, THAT'S IT. Is there an app that can do that? Is there an ableton app?

Not quite like Ableton but loopy does this.

If I understood it right, @Grippy would need an app that adjusts the tempo not just once but dynamically, so that he could apply a constant tempo to loops with varying tempo. There are some great samples out there that are very hard to use because of their non-constant bpm. That doesn't have to be a bad thing because it gets you thinking about sampling technique.

lukesleepwalker

@syrupcore said:

@Grippy said:

@shortbus said:
Sounds like you need something with realtime timestretch of loops, like how audio clips behave in Ableton Live to bpm changes.

YES, THAT'S IT. Is there an app that can do that? Is there an ableton app?

Not quite like Ableton but loopy does this.

Does it very well, in fact. I bring clips in to Loopy all the time just to adjust the BPM and export to other apps.

SirMcp

@syrupcore said:
Intua owes more than a tip of the hat. They straight ripped a lot from NanoStudio. Was not cool. But yeah, like most copies, they usually missed the best bits.

I remember when BM2 dropped and I poked around the sequencer. It was like wow, I didn't know Intua hired Matt. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery until patents are infringed upon.

JohnnyGoodyear

@syrupcore said:
Intua owes more than a tip of the hat. They straight ripped a lot from NanoStudio. Was not cool. But yeah, like most copies, they usually missed the best bits.

Maybe they're waiting for NS2 to come out before they finalize BM3 (special sarcastic pussycat voice)...

Will

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@syrupcore said:
Intua owes more than a tip of the hat. They straight ripped a lot from NanoStudio. Was not cool. But yeah, like most copies, they usually missed the best bits.

Maybe they're waiting for NS2 to come out before they finalize BM3 (special sarcastic pussycat voice)...

A joke (?) I've made many times!

Grippy

@synthandson said:

@syrupcore said:

@Grippy said:

@shortbus said:
Sounds like you need something with realtime timestretch of loops, like how audio clips behave in Ableton Live to bpm changes.

YES, THAT'S IT. Is there an app that can do that? Is there an ableton app?

Not quite like Ableton but loopy does this.

If I understood it right, @Grippy would need an app that adjusts the tempo not just once but dynamically, so that he could apply a constant tempo to loops with varying tempo. There are some great samples out there that are very hard to use because of their non-constant bpm. That doesn't have to be a bad thing because it gets you thinking about sampling technique.

I think u hit it right on the head but now the track I want to sample i'll have to record the drums manually, quantize off and duplicate each pattern.