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You can't do a multitrack project in Audacity, so it wouldn't fit the example. The mentioned vos and vladg are both freeware plugin developers, however.
Anyway, I chose Cubase Elements as an example because it was the only paid desktop DAW that was stripped down enough to compare with Auria. IOW, it is Auria that needs work in the feature department. But, that wasn't my point. Auria has its strengths; price just happens not to be one of them.
*yes, I did upgrade to Pro-- recently.
Mackie returned Tracktion to Jules the developer some time ago. He and his company just released v. 7 a couple of days ago. I haven't updated from v. 6 yet, but it looks really good. And it's not expensive.
Poor guy asks a fair question and gets all this grief. My simple rule of thumb is, if it costs more than $1.99 it must be shite.
Lol!
Crappers!
http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/tutorial_recording_multi_track_overdubs.html
I agree with what @asnor is saying. Yes, Auria Pro is a tremendous value but it's probably time to stop trying to compare it favorably, price wise, to the desktop. Reaper actually costs less. Traction 7 is only $60. Logic X is $200 which is of course significantly more but it comes with deep deep power and an incredible collection of instruments and effects.
Think, if anything, it's more about Auria Pro somehow (amazingly, to me) being pretty close to par with the desktop. Indeed, it's the DAW that can allow you to ignore the desktop if that's your thing.
Yeah. Well put. Motorbikes and cars.
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I stand corrected
If it's your job to eat a cat, it's best to do it first thing in the morning. And If it's your job to eat two cats, it's best to eat the biggest one first. Mark Twain
Auria Pro plus its two synths plus its plug-ins is a combo that stands still unmatched value-wise by any alternative in the Desktop world barring Logic Pro X (which requires a Mac, to begin with). Tractor, Reaper, Cubase Elements, all those share roughly the same price tag for the base application, but unless you invest in inexpensive alternative software to complement them and learn through their shortcomings, they would still cost you quite a lot to have the same functionality. The main bottleneck for Auria used to be the iPad; since the iPad pro, the real bottleneck is our beloved iOS.
But yes, I quote only the last part of your post first because I have to agree with it completely, and also to add: what amazes me is how it can do much more, much much more than the competition, and yet have almost the same price tag of them!
P.S.: Edited for a more concise post.
"When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade, without further introduction." -- Mark Twain
I don't have time to keep up with all the desktop software features and prices. I have Logic X because at the time I bought it, it offered way more for the buck than anything else I looked at. I assume that's still the case, but I don't actually know.
When I got an iPad, I didn't know of anything I saw as a DAW on desktop costing close to $50. Logic at $200 was an odd case that made no real sense -- just another Apple mystery. I'm surprised to read that full DAWs on a desktop are now so cheap.
I see that Reaper costs over $200 for the commercial license, if that's important to someone. Tracktion looks cool. Apparently, it costs more with synths. Another thing to consider with Auria is that the FabFilter plugs cost way less than on a desktop.
Mainstage is the biggest bang for buck!
Then comes Komplete Ultimate.
Next would be Logic Pro X!
Then iOS apps......
Auria is great and worth the price but it's not even close what a DAW like Logic offers or can do.
The Fabfilter plug-ins are great and cheap but i demoed them on my desktop and i don't need it because Logic FX are just great enough for everything i could imagine. I only bought addional reverbs.
In general it's easy.... You get what you pay for.
For me prices seems to be fair. Small prices for small apps, bigger prices for bigger apps!!
Tracktion, it seems, also doesn't come with a manual! You pay for it via third party authors. At first I was like [title of this thread]? After a minute though, I actually think this is kinda cool: if you've used it before or are feeling confident, you don't need to pay for it.
I feel the same about Logic @Cinebient. Not that I use it all that often but I've mixed a couple of full band records on it and a few of my own synthy songs and I've never felt the need for third party plugs. The stuff that's included is all pretty great.
Yep.... things like Sculpture, Delay Designer and Space Designer are also belongs to the best in this area. If you explore Logic in depth there would be no need for additional tools if you learn the workflow.
Then (especially since the latest update) it handles multi-core processing etc. proper.
A few minutes ago i triggered 40 instances of a Zebra 2 arp patch (8 X 5 multi instruments) in real time. That's freaking impressive... even for a semi-fast i7 quadcore (2.0Ghz).
Of course i needed about a year to master Logic a bit and just scratched it yet
If you doesn't need all that it's wasted money but if you know how to use it and want it.... it is a much better value than any iOS app. Of course it's my personal meaning after playing with booth worlds in depth.
We all want iOS Logic but it would kill all independent developers in iOS (for me).
I'm totally for supporting independent developers on all platforms but then i'm an egoist when it comes to workflow and value for my money and buy even from the evil
@Cinebient: both Mainstage and Logic are amazing, and are indeed by far far the best value in the world of music computers. I ditched Pro Tools altogether for LPX. All in all, you seem to agree with me that the bottleneck for even the best iOS apps is iOS itself.
Absolutely!
(That said, a few minutes ago i exlpored the Cableguys bundle stuff and the GAS is there again! There are a lot great tools for desktop even for a great price since there are often huge sales, bundles, upgrade, crossgrade prices which would be great for iOS too..... we know that story.)
If it were still available on PC, I would agree.
True.... But most iOS are Apple only too
Windows PC? Meh...
I don't use any 3rd-party plug-ins with Logic, at least ones that cost money. It does what I need, but I know some people who prefer the sound they get from other plug-ins, and often they're not cheap alternatives.
The point here, I think, is comparing desktop and iPad app prices. Using Logic X as the benchmark isn't really fair because almost every app would lose in that head-to-head. It's subjective, but I think if you take Auria Pro and a handful of cool plug-ins like FabFilter offers, the low cost of that power is impressive, even if big Apple messes up the curve with some of their stuff.
Exactly this.
Calling Logic a desktop app isn't fair either when it can be run on a laptop that's smaller and cheaper than an iPad pro lol. Now iOS hardware prices are getting higher I'm starting to look at getting a cheap mac laptop instead
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For me everything runs on a notebook is mobile music too!
Indeed you could just create music with million of free tools or demo versions.
I have totaly been getting the tiny laptop itch (and yes I know there a is cream for that
I just want it for simple DAW editing with mouse and keyboard. Press/hold/scream is wearing thin for me.
Well, iOS music apps are pretty much the only game in town, while OSX music apps are not.
Well, beside Logic and all it's goodies like the mighty Alchemy 2