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Another small stick on the iPad Pro fire that is crackling at my impoverished feet...
Should be noted that it also support AUfx for processing sounds.
Sadly I've not yet been able to convince the developer to add an option for optional 'zero-snap' for sample-accurate editing(the markers always try to snap to closest zero when moving them) and optionally show sample length in samples in addition to 'time'.
The replies have been in the lines that not enough people had requested the features for iOS version.
So if any of you have ideas feel free to send them to Thomas and he might be nice enough to implement them
I have the Desktop version of TwistedWave and the developer surely knows what He's doing.
However when I asked for iOS File-Picker support some time ago it took just short of a month until we saw an update in the AppStore.
Man, you know everything.
That is really cool,
It doesn't accommodate Viking, though. That would be kooky.
I think the reason for that is that Viking is an AU-Instrument, not an AU-Effect.
Still hoping Thomas will add the option to disable the 'zero-snap'. It's driving me nuts
I think I've requested that like 3 times already, but He needs to hear it from more people haha.
I never really got into Hokusai on account of it not having any kind of sample-accurate editing, as far as I can tell -- then I got TwistedWave and I use it for everything, haha; it's great. I do agree, though, that it kind of sucks only being able to trim at zero-crossings, but maybe the dev is just saving himself all of the technical support requests when uninitiated users complain about having pops at the beginning and ends of their clips.
Last time I had mail-conversation with Thomas the main reason was to keep the iOS version clean and simple.
I even suggested to have it under 'advanced' options so it would not confuse new users.
Then again, I think the more feedback He gets the more likely it is that we'll get what we wan't
As long as the requests are well motivated He will listen and reply too.
http://twistedwave.com/support.html
Brilliant reminder @Samu
I requested this same feature and Thomas asked why I'd want it which seemed rhetorical given that the desktop version has the function but perhaps he was auditing the iOS audience to see if it's worth implementing.
Either way Thomas is a star and TwistedWave is my favorite editor.
Too me a while to get into it (read: I didn't want to spend the money), but it's one of the 'must haves' now and I use it all the time, even more so with the arrival of AUM (ironically).
@JohnnyGoodyear there's never a Wrong Time to use TwistedWave. xx
Definitely needs the functionality to be able to edit out clicks and distorted peaks that you can't do now.
Twisted Wave is also a Chrome browser plugin.
Not to be "that guy" but I doubt anyone will "hear" a difference between an edit that snaps to zero crossing versus to sample. I don't find it a deal breaker. I don't think that's a good enough reason not to get TW given its overall capability. FWIW
That’s the second time this morning I’ve read in two disparate places the phrase “not to be that guy”. I’ve no idea what it means, if it indeed means anything at all, but is there something going on, or going round, that people are referencing without actually referencing it? Or is it some cultural local thing somewhere, that nobody else knows about?
I used it in the context of "I'm not trying to be a troll but let's look at this from a different perspective".
I've been on many message boards where somebody jumps into a conversation with a contrary opinion just to be contrary and not to contribute. I prefer to contribute.
Ah.
That guy is the dude who lives next door to the them of 'they say' fame.
It largely depends on 'what' is being cut out. Sometimes it could be a few ms of 'noise' that would delay the transient of a sample and make it sound 'out of sync' with the rest. For removing 'clicks' precision editing would be handy (like moving the individual samples up or down or simply select and cut them out).
Sure it's not something one does everyday, but for those rare occasions when it's needed it's a bummer but still TwistedWave is my preferred AudioEditor on iOS. After I discovered the 'time-trick' in Cubasis I do most of my Sample-Editing there or in BeatMaker 2 since that's where most of sounds get sampled/recorded anyway
I do my wave-level editing in Audacity (it’s where I’m more comfortable, despite owning Logic Pro X) and often I’ll chop at zero crossing, but sometimes you want to cut not at zero but ‘go out’ at an equivalent part of a wave as you ‘came in’ at.
By the way, In photography and film in the old days, you could spot out a print (i.e., get rid of spots of dust or tiny particles accidentally on the film when the print was being made) by using a tiny paintbrush with grey paints. You didn’t actually need to match the colour, just paint out the spot with a tiny dab of cool or warm grey mixed to roughly match the tonal density. Nobody ever noticed.
Even with digital removing dust-spots is needed when the sensor-cleaning doesn't work properly. The 'spots' are thankfully rare and mostly noticeable when shooting at smaller apertures. That's the side effect of swapping lenses in not so clean enviroments. And I bet if they were not removed people will notice them.
Just the knowledge of what can be done but isn't enabled in the tool can be a bit frustrating
(Especially since I also happen to use TwistedWave on my Mac).
One of the interesting differences between stills photog and video (and there are many) is that video people will intentionally search for ways of introducing noise into the result. Dithered stochastic noise that doesn’t look like noise, but gives a pleasing effect, more pleasing than the technically clean original. There are also many technical advantages of putting noise in on purpose — this was quite a surprise to learn, being that in audio most of us grew up spending all our effort getting rid of mixer noise or tape noise.
LOL - as a video professional I get a kick out of plug-ins designed to add in the exact things we were traditionally taught to avoid i.e.: lens flares, camera shake, noise (as mentioned), hair/dust etc.
But the Mac version is $79 I'd be miffed if I owned it and it didn't do more than the iPad version.
So would I
There are still some things it doesn't do, but for those even more rare occasions I can use SoX in the terminal.
For me, the zero crossing thing is an issue regarding removing clicks, glitches, clipped peaks etc. with any kind of precision. I used to do some vocal editing for voice overs. Using Adobe Audition, I was able to get rid of throat clearings, guttural clicks etc. quite easily. Also, using FL Studio's 'Edison' editor allows you to get rid of clicks very well too, this is particularly useful in mastering, I've found.
@Samu, I'd be interested to hear the Cubasis work-around you mentioned.
Here's what I've found, TW doesn't allow you to edit where you want, it snaps to the nearest zero crossings (Markers 5 and 6 in this instance), which isn't ideal all of the time. I should say though that TW is a very good app nonetheless.
In Cubasis...
To completely turn off the 'snap-grid' and enable sample-accurate editing switch the location display from 'Bars/Beats' (1.1.1) to 'Time' (0:00.000) by tapping on it. After that there is no grid enabled when making selections in the audio-event making it possible do precise selections without snapping. Shortest total selection is ~10 samples.
That's the 'thing' that more people should send feedback on. It's possible to disable the zero-snap in the desktop version but no such option can be found in the iOS version
Thanks @Samu, I shall look at that.
Looking through my emails, I did get in touch with Thomas myself regarding the issue in August, last year. He said he was looking for a better solution in a future update.
@u0421793 Allow me to be that gracious guy for a second and thank you for pointing me to the TW Chrome extension. As my probation officer always said: Sometimes a box-cutter in your pocket is better than a chainsaw in the shed..
The zero-snap issue is not a deal breaker by any means - it's just that TwistedWave iOS is SO close to being a Complete Joy the way that TwistedWave on my desktop is.
(I find myself TwistedWave-ing more than editing within Logic etc and TW's batch processing is intensely handy.)