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Zillidrone: Experts requested
I never gave this app any time when I first got it. However, I for some reason watched a video on it and got super turned on so I reinstalled it.
Couple quick questions.
Does it have automation?
Can I record notes in from a hardware MIDI keyboard?
Also, is there a comprehensive video you can recommend?
There seems to be more boxes than I remember and can't imagine what they are all for.
Thanks so much in advance.
Any other ideas, recommendations, short cuts, or info about the app would be appreciated.
What do you like it for?
Comments
I think the 2 synths sound super, with the built in effects,but the "all tiny buttons and tiny sliders, all in dark mode" are almost impossible for my 43yr old eyes to get on with for any length of time.
Graphically it really needs an overhaul, to make it useable for me. Sorry I can't help more, but it's the apps fault, not my desire to use it which is the problem
Got to agree with gsm909. I really tried to love this app, but all the greatness is hiding behind an almost obnoxious interface that sticks it's tongue out at you and blows raspberries
You're lucky. Mine farts disconsolately at me in the manner of an old Prussian schoolteacher lady who doesn't like children. But the thing (app not farts) still sets the standard (for me) as regards song modes....
Yep it has some wonderful features and not too bad getting to bits really, it's just so much crammed in and so dark. I usually like one page interfaces, but this one needs an iPad Pro or bigger
Woah, looks cool never heard of it before today. AB and IAA too.
Care to elucidate?
You bugger. You know I'm an elucidator
BUT haven't opened this app for months because I find it difficult to use and now I will have forgotten how to make it work but you will force me to spend my weekend trying to get back to the point where I was on the Forum ages ago complaining about difficult the thing is to get to grips with but how wonderful the song mode is when you do so. Git 
While I enjoy the compliments playfully tossed in my direction, I merely wondered what was meant by "song modes". If you need the motivation to crack open this app again I'm happy to shoulder the blame however.
It needs a couple of tabbed pages instead of everything squeezed onto 1 screen, synths, drums, effects. Something laid out along the lines of Egoist would be ideal
Agreed (and I love Egoist), but the first thing I'd like for Z is a different/light skin option so I could SEE better
Took the refresher and was soon booberling and floojerling as one does in Zillidrone. Am reminded also that my biggest problem beyond complexity is that I don't love the sounds straight out. Might be too chip-ish for me. Or they just need further work/effort on my part.
Got back to the song mode and remembered right away that I love how easy it is (once you know
) to make slight changes to your 'set' and then click another pad, changes saved, and then onward. It is incredibly intuitive (in an app that's not really that). I can do a very similar thing in Beathawk (and a few others) if you looked at the clicks it takes etc, but somehow it just happens so smoothly and easily here. A real opportunity to make the silk purse from the sow's ear etc.
BUT, that's only worth anything if I can make a sequence of patterns (or even one
) that turns me on I guess.
We'll see.
So it must have been easier to straddle this particular bike again than you expected? It actually does sound like my kind of thing, now that this thread has brought it to my attention again. The follow-on video after your link was our Doug's and that is pretty good, more forgiving in it's pacing.
So thanks for putting this back under my nose. I will have the same visual issues as everyone else who has commented but to me it does sound interesting, if it can be tamed.
I guess the decider question, and one that I know you are a keen asker of, is what about the outputs? AB, IAA, loop/wav export?
Johnny loved this app from day one, I remember.
Loved it as soon as he played with it.............waitwut
Anyway, I found the dev tutorial vid, it was excellent.
I think this app with a slight improvement could dominate a unique situated niche music making group.
I love the simplicity of the app, it forces creativity.
Like others mentioned, it's like micro in size.
Can anyone answer me if you can record MIDI notes in from hardware keyboard?
Thanks yall
This app is really cool though.
Not very educated about the export. Does record well with options. Has much midi assignment. Works well with AB and IAA (had it thrumming into AUM very easily), but I don't see any 'single loop' copying, which may just be that I haven't found it. The only official 'export' option listed is 'Record', but I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't other ways to skin the cat; it's that kind of app.
I should add that while I really like the quick saving of 'set's' -and I do- the fact that there's no obvious way to add a specific 'play only these parts in this order and then stop' option seems odd. Again, very probably user ignorance.
I did spend another hour or two last night with this app and have come to the current conclusion that SOMEONE could/will make very cool, complex, unusual, creative projects with it. The automation, for further example, is very creative and makes for unique possibilities. But I'm not convinced I'm that person. I think that -for me- Egoist and Cream, while very different, make more sense to my own intermittently connected head and sense of rhythm. But that's as much to do with there only being so much time to spend and that all of these apps, despite their respective limitations, need some real mastery to get the most out of them and I'm not certain Zill is the best place for me to spend that time.
Again, I will not be AT ALL surprised to listen to someone's creation in Zillidrone in the future and thing 'Shit, I could have done that', but the final truth is that I probably couldn't...
Thanks for the detailed summary of your experiences with the zill @JohnnyGoodyear. I know we are very different in our approach to these apps but, in these post-monzo times, I find your reaction to music apps the most credible barometer around these parts.
Tiny buttons, & dark interface: yes. Worth plumbing: Yes.
I found that this and Tric Trak have 2 of the most accessible song modes. Also each app has an immediacy and tweakability in an all-in one app that I find lovely.
Trictrak and Zill would make an interesting comparable case study in use-design. I think the former, while in areas limited, is so, I dunno, welcoming, as regards getting a little something going which has got feel to it. However, I have to recuse myself somewhat because I suspect (as mentioned upthread) that the Zill sounds may not be as encouraging to me personally and that probably, finally, is the root of some of my reticence...might be exactly the opposite for someone else...
I like the synths sounds a lot, the automation is hilarious good fun. Sampler drums and keys load easily with my samples. The randomize button on the sampler instruments sets up happy surprises. Export of stems is possible with the old mute-all-the-other-tracks work-around. I'm still learning song mode, as I use this one for live jamming, and do all my v/c/v/b changes on the fly
Well I wasn't planning on buying any apps at 4am last night but then I read this
tbh I'd tried it out ages ago and just didn't get it. I actually got a refund because I was so bewildered. The interface is still a little cryptic but I'm making music with it now so...who cares! Great app, verging on generative with its randomise function.
Only good things happen at 4am.
I would use Triq Traq EVERYDAY on my IPads if it had landscape.
My neck just gets stiff and eyes strained when looking at IPad sideways. I need to have hardware plugged in so I can't put it upright. I didn't say get it up.
It does have FX automation recording in the lower part of the app.
I don't think you can record notes with external gear, in any case I couldn't.. I could play notes with sequencer and keyboards
Why bother with MIDI when there is no midi learn, and can't record? Is it a bug?
Also once you activate random sampling in drums, there is no way to get out. Bug.
It has a great song mode and you can store 16 scenes and each scene remembers BPM. The 16 scenes can be arranged into 80 slots for a song.
I like it for its great jamming facilities, you like something you made, store it in memory, come back later to overwrite it, copy, paste, you never have to stop the sequencer...
Don't know why, I find the 2 synths a bit ....cheesy?...the same type sound...but I like them...
You can record loops and export them...in 1,2,3,4 bar loops, or everything +FX.
I imported samples by folder full...via iTunes...They stay in folders and don't overwrite the original files...just swap folders...
It's a love and hate relationship
PS...not claiming to be an Expert;)