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SunVox: Sunny Day or No Way?
What say you?
I see all sorts of glowing things bout the app. Thing is, I also see some people who despise the app.
Instead of if you like it or not, I would rather ask WHAT DO YOU WITH SUNVOX?
What sounds or functions do you use if for?
Do you use it with other apps? Which ones? Due to some unique apps don't sound nice or play right with others.
Is is light on the CPU or not?
THANKS FOR YOUR FEEDBACK
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What do I do with Sunvox? So far, I delete it after experencing a counterintuitive overly complex interface and then feel buyer's remorse whenever it is mentioned.
I know this isn't helpful to trying to understand it's use as you had asked, but I found it about as fun as doing my taxes.
Some people love it, and they like the interface and sounds and can make it work for them. I'm impressed. I'm just saying that deleting it was the best part of my experience.
Sunvox remains one of those apps I intend to figure out someday. At this point, my main difficulty with it is getting something musical into it. I do use it on occasion in a effect capacity, however.
I want to like it. I was after all an old school demo coder and this is in the old school vein. It has so much "in the box", but it just seems unnecessarily obtuse. IMO It was a great day indeed when tracker interfaces were replaced with piano rolls.
I hate the way you enter notes but other than that I think it's a Very powerful app! I understand the whole retro thing but if they would update the sequencer this would be one of my favorites!
Yep, I think a piano roll is on the "to do" of the developer, and this would make it a very cool "all in one", every time I try Sunvox I love the "instrument" but I hate the tracker sequencer.
+1
I actually like the 'tracker-style' note input but I do agree it's not optimal for a touch-screen.
On the computer it's easier to 'play' using the keyboard when entering the notes and there is a lot of control for every step (re-triggering, note-delay, sample-offset, pitch up/down etc and all the module-parameters can be automated).
I don't know of a single app for the iOS other than SunVox that has a 2OP-FM Synth where practically every parameter can be automated in detail for every single note-step and it's even quite nice as a 'midi-controller' for sequencing the SoundCanvas using the 'Multi Synth' module
SunVox is one of those apps that divide users into two categories.
Those who get it and those who don't. It's very binary.
I love it. I'm not into trackers, and a lot of things in Sunvox can be kinda weird and backwards, but it makes me work in a unique way, and I constantly get interesting results I wouldn't get elsewhere.
And it does pretty much everything. You can sequence other apps, them sample them and apply complex processing . The included synths and effects sound awesome (totally subjective of course), lots of great "lofi" options for adding color and character. I've never run into CPU problems.
I think it works great on a touch screen, I never use the computer version. Some people might find it fiddly to use, but I love that it hasn't been crippled for touch devices.
But yeah, a piano roll would work better for me.
I make songs, make loops for export, now record tracks into modstep and AUM (drum synth stuff mostly, but some lead lines), build synths to sequence into DAWs, play live into tracker lanes to build up songs using the synths built (using midi controller or onscreen keys), sampled other iOS synths to make sampler instruments, using generators mixed with samples (WAV, XI, OGG)...
Yep the learning curve was formidable but I like curves I guess. There is nothing on iOS that does all that it can do, so the learning has had its rewards
I use it to:
-slice samples with the sampler module and the sample offset effect
-layer drum samples with the multisynth and sampler modules
-create unique patterns and sounds that I would be hard pressed to create elsewhere
Pretty much the same here. If the engine was given a more iPad friendly interface then I would put in the effort, but the way it is, I can't be bothered.
As a friend of mine said: "Sunvox has a steep learning curve .. with rewards"
Those rewards are Mammoth and indeed Sunvox is the opposite of an instant gratification app: There are no presets or pre-anythings aside from Templates and one of the things I love most about Sunvox is how Personal it is: you're not likely to identify a piece of audio as "Sunvox-ish" or recognize presets and so on.
Endless sampler modules + Tracker sequencing / super specific automation and totally comprehensible module configuring make Sunvox one of my All Time Favorite things.
+1
I'm so perverse, that I often think about Sunvox when I'm away from the device - really only as far away as my left pocket, I have Sunvox on the iPhone - and I get happy...
This is my trend in general. It took years to get this way about Sunvox and it's where I'm headed with synths: sometime soon (years again likely) I'll replace my entire 50 synth roster with zMors modular or Audulus.
CULT!
Right, following OP I shall not reiterate on what it could be, but what it is for me:
It is one of the best tools for taking me out of creative pickles when I land in those. It has such a different, yet logical (after the mythical curve), way of doing things and it completely breaks the mould for me when I'm stuck.
I have written many of my snippets that end up in songs, in SunVox. I have rarely recorded SunVox itself though, it is mainly a part of my creative process, which is a shame as it sounds awesome too, but often when I get to the recording stage I have reworked what I wrote in SunVox anyways and taken THAT in to the next level in another instrument/app, which is also what I end up recording.
Oh, correction: as SunVox can do so many things I was mainly talking about the "electronic" music I do, above.
I have used it, and recorded the output from it, when I use it as a guitar effects unit.
Also, I have started using it as a midi controller of late (inspired by a YT video that did some amazing things basically just using SunVox as a controller for all other gear/software).
I don't use the tracker, at all. I should (if nothing else to learn), but I don't.
I have a lots of experience with Trackers as I made plenty of songs in ProTracker, Digibooster and Jeskola Buzz. And I remember when I saw Piano roll editor first time (in FL studio 4) I was asking myself "Who is using this bad idea for composing music???!" Later I tried Cakewalk sonar and got used to piano rolls a bit
But still I think tracker editor is better in some aspects.
Unfortunately SunVox is a pain on touch screen tablets. The biggest problem for me is navigating and editing notes (including selecting them, adding/deleting rows, etc). Generally speaking: workflow. Many functions are hidden in drop-down menus, no tabs (dragging sections up and down all the time) and more issues like metronome on/off deep in settings, no precount, etc.
SunVox has many, many features I like very much , but it needs to be improved.
I personally love Sunvox! It's the closest thing to Renoise (its the only DAW I'll use!) on iOS, its synth engine is a beast, and once you figure out all the menues its not too bad. I modified the scale option to make everything smaller on the screen so it looks truly optimized for my iPhone 6 screen. It's also one of the few apps I can compose a 5+ minute audio track in some other synth apps then import it into Sunvox and build upon it with more tracks. I also love that even though it has mic input, it works over my bluetooth connected car speakers when I'm out and about and wanna jam out for awhile. Anyway, I can't recommend it enough but its definitely not for the feint at heart. You need to invest time to learn the interface and modify it to your likings.
Still sounds like Double Physics on a rainy Wednesday afternoon. I know, believe me, physics really is awesome, but still.
It seems that something about the software had to hook me, to make it worth the time to bash my head against it til I broke through. Not sure what it was, but I suspect a mixture of my own stubbornness and weirdness. And a dim apprehension of the things immensity.
Well this thread only made things worse.
I got the PC version and it is interesting.
Like, I think I could see what the positives would be about creativity.
Plus, limited on time so not sure if that is more reason not?
I agree with all of that (though I have less experience with trackers). Have you tried contacting Alexander? Maybe get a few ideas implemented. It's too good to allow people to be turned off it quickly.
It's a taste thing I think. The GUI to me is brilliant - everything infinitely relatively scalable, all one screen etc
One of the challenges the tablet edition of SunVox has has to do with the fact that by design trackers were designed to be used using a qwerty-keyboard to enter/play notes and to navigate around the pattern(s) and on the touch-screen it's not the same and even if BT-Keyboard support would most likely be using the Desktop version anyways than carrying one extra device with me
Since I'm far from good 'keyboard player' i tend to 'play-program'(no realtime recording) the notes into a pattern and the arrow down acts as a 'rest' making it a pretty quick procedure to enter/playing bass-lines, arpeggios, drums etc.
The challenge for me using the iPad version is to 'adapt' my editing style to playing the 'piano-keys' while keeping another finger on the tiny label called 'Ins'. It has to be said it's way faster to connect/disconnect modules in the iPad version, on the desktop it's shift-drag to connect on the iPad touch first module and tap on the next.
Earlier versions of SunVox for iOS had 'cursor keys' visible onscreen when editing the pattern but these got removed when the 'swipe navigation' was introduced.
I'm still blown away what people are able to create and compose with SunVox.
Seriously this by some dude back in 2012 with an iPhone...
I think one part of why I dig Sunvox so much is I came to it backwards, not from trackers but via iOS. After Sunvox I looked at all the trackers that came before, downloaded Milky Tracker, Aodix, bought Renoise etc. I'm still weak on the qwerty way of doing stuff, and wish I wasn't, as I know it's wicked fast.
I know many want 'piano-roll' & 'grid' in a tracker but implementing them can be a bit tricky considering how much control there is on every single note/step so it would require knowledge of 'both ways' of editing to utilise it fully.
A 'Grid-View' could simply be used to draw a 'default note/instrument' to a step/row and there would be one grid-line per track. This is a little bit similar to how iSequence works. I see a pattern as a vertical grid with 'numbers & commands'.
As for piano roll, sure, it could be done but adding polyphony would increase the track count to the same number of notes that are present on a step/row and what about all the 'commands', one command per all notes on the 'track' or individual command for each note? (Renoise doesn't have piano-roll yet but technically it can have many notes per 'track' that share the effect command).
Sure SunVox can be improved and I'm sure it will be over time.
Think of SunVox in three parts:
Would anyone who has both Sunvox and Yamaha Mobile Music Sequencer be able to draw any parallels between them?
I've got both.
Yamaha MMS is a more or less straight forward midi-sequencer with an option to create midi clips that can be copy/pasted to a time-line and the clips can follow the key of the song if desired. In my opinion it's got one of the best piano-roll editors out there, lots of features that cover almost everything needed but can take some time to get used to.
The included sounds are typical 'Yamaha XG'(General Midi stuff) but unfortunately it doesn't include a full XG/GM set and the number of tracks is limited. It is possible to sequence IAA-Instruments and external hardware thru core-midi.
As for SunVox it's mostly limited by the users imagination and ability to use it and finding work-arounds and well, getting used to 'programming the music' instead of playing it live and recording the results.
The only 'parallel' that can be draw is that they can both be used to create music but in completely different ways